Antidepressants ?

For about 10 years now, I've been reading material on antidepressants, because it seemed more and more Church going Christians were being prescribed these for anything from sleep problems to anxiety to almost any other complaint they'd bring to their Dr.s.Back then, I had a friend, who worked at a Hospital as a cleaning lady. Her husband was a child molesting monster, who also lived with another woman and mistreated my friend.After they finally split up, my friend had trouble sleeping ... that's all, just trouble sleeping, but she lost no work time over it.Well, of course, as is the situation anymore in WAY too many cases, the Dr. gave her antidepressants ... what he and others failed to tell her, was the chances of Parkinson's, etc. etc. etc. etc. from long term use and for some, even short term use.My friend is now one of the youngest patients in the Nursing Home with late stage Parkinsons.After this happened to her, the same Hospital where she both worked and was "treated", began to give healthy people "anti-Parkinson" drugs WITH any antidepressants. So, if I seem to be on some sort of campaign, well, yes and with tons of other stories to tell of why ... but I'll let just this one website say the rest and maybe save just one kid or person from the things that we're NOT being told.I've fought organic and situational depression, so I'm not unfeeling for these people. Our God is a miracle working God. But 'their' cure is worst down the road than the original problem ever was.http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/doctors.htmGod Bless !

jend, we're new to each other, so I don't know how you feel about things, but do you believe what you wrote ?I don't want to go into a big diatribe about "not every illness is a spirit" and that Luke was a Physician, etc. etc., if you were just talking about some other groups.I just get a bit unsettled when I hear folks talk about "a spirit of .....".Paul told Timothy, to take a little wine for his stomach sake and his often infirmities. So did Timothy have "spirits of this or that ..." and why wouldn't Paul rather just get rid of those spirits in Timothy and his own thorn in the flesh ?Hopefully, this thread won't turn into that conversation ... Please start another thread, if that's where this is leading to.This is about Antidepressants.Thank you and all His Best to you all.

Jend, If Late-Neuro-Lyme-Disease and another similar disease, are what you call my "bondage", which both cause central nervous system and brain damage ... then I thank you for your prayers. But I do not have a "spirit of depression". I've battled depression and won, despite that mine was "organic", and without antidepressants.Maybe you did have "a spirit of depression", but don't put that blanket on all people. There are physical diseases, like M.S., Arteriosclerosis, CFIDS, ALS,etc.,etc. that cause organic depression. They are all brain & CNS eating diseases, like Parkinson's, Alzheimer, etc..Are these "spirits" too ?But regardless of the cause of the depression, I think careful research of the Link above, will show that antidepressants will eventually only make even these poor folks worse after a while.For those who are just "situationally" depressed or because they've lived a whole life of abuse, I also believe in God's solution. He's the Healer of our souls.Being "other's" minded is one of the best Natural Cures He's created.I hope everyone will research that link up top so they can help someone and possibly save a life.Thanks.Love.Annie

Brother Joe, I would never judge a person who believes the pharmaceutical companies, who twist Dr.s arms to prescribe these things. I don't blame all of that on "spiritual things" either. But on the half truths or down right lies being propagated by money making industries and certain Dr.s. (Not all)It's what they are Not telling us that bothers me or that they themselves have been to lazy to research themselves, because as you will see from this one website, it's all Dr.s and Researchers writings.I'm not against certain anti-anxiety drugs ... because again that would be dealing with CNS damage in many cases. But those do not have the same side affects as SSRIs have.But you would really need to read as much as is on that Link to understand how those drugs "really" work.I have more empathy with depressed people than with most any types, because I've had every reason on earth to be depressed myself.I gave my life story on here once, so I won't again, but it was unusually traumatic and difficult. 7 homes where I was made to feel I wasn't wanted, and to top that off Joe, had depression in my family history also and now two diseases that affect the CNS.I would have taken those pills in a heart beat months or years ago, if I had not researched them extensively first, and it started with my friend 10 years ago or more, actually, when that story I told above happened to her.You can't stop them cold turkey, you must be very slowly weened off of them. But if you just read the research, you'll see how they 'really' work and what eventually happens.There are other ways to go Bro. Joe and I do believe that there are some Licensed Christian Counselors who do some wonderful Biblical counseling.When we become Born-Again, that "family history" with it's genes to depression or whatever is broken. Else wise, He couldn't say, Rejoice in the Lord Always, and again I say Rejoice. And some other verses I could give.If we buy the lie of the world about genetics from a bunch of Darwinist/Humanitic biased "researchers", regarding depression,etc., well, let's just say, I've read the opposing view points from Medical Scientists and Research has already been on the radio, that the "chemistry" doesn't come first ... but the "thoughts" come first and then the chemistry gets messed up or triggered. I could go on and on, but unless you've researched it all yourself, and that link is fantastic, then you'll only misunderstand me and I don't want that.I'm a Caregiver by nature and worked in a Hospital when I was sixteen and when I couldn't work anymore for physical reasons, I was 49 and loving my job at the Nursing Home.So please don't take this Link as condemnation.It's far from it. It's just the other side of the Professional Research by Doctors and Research Scientists. Those who do not stand to gain in any way financially by sticking their necks out to tell the truth, when it's much more financially profitable to go the other route.Much of His Love to you brother Joe.Your sister in Christ,Annie

Annie,I understand that pharmaceutical antidepresants can have deleterious side effects and that people should avoid them. However, there are natural treatments that work on depression that don't have these bad effects. I have suffered from Seasonal Affective Disorder for years. In the wintertime, when light is low, I get depressed. My solution is to take St. Johns Wart. It is subtle, but it works and takes the edge off, making the days go easier.I highly recommend that anyone suffering from depression first experiement with ST. Johns Wart before consulting a clinical therapist. There is no danger of side effects and you can purchase it at any store that sells vitamins.Dr.s will tell you that it doesn't work, but then they don't get paid, and the pharmacies don't profit from an herb.That's my 2 cents on this.Bubbaguy

Bubbaguy, That's a Good 2 cents worth.Many people are helped by St. John's Wart. (horrible name though :)The link that I post again, gives many nutritional aids also. http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/doctors.htmI suggested Christian Counseling because when depression begins in childhood like mentioned by Joe, and continues to adulthood ... there's something there worth talking about with somebody, as long as they're a Christian.I certainly made sure to state a Christian Counselor and I'd even pray on that, because I met one at a Support Group Meeting last year for CFIDS and they were already secularized.I'll let the cat out of the bag and say, I studied Psych till I was 27 yr.s old. From age 12 I started and so for 15 yr.s my goal was to help people through that Field. Then I switched to Christian Psychology, of course, because I had gotten saved.Then because of a stack of books by other Christians who had been in both fields, I lean away even from Christian Psychology. One couple's books are from this Website http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/articles.html When I read their books, and ones like them, there wasn't an Internet. I'm thankful for the Web for so many Research capabilities now. BUT, I still do believe that a child's life can leave some touchy areas in them or scars ... but with the right guidance (Not the Inner Healing Movement) but just a Biblically Based Counselor, those hurts can be brought out - examined - understood - then given to God.That's why I'm not afraid to tell friends or even post here, "Hey guys, I need prayer" whenever I feel I do need help,,, because I know what prayer can do.Or just deep talks with a very close friend and then talks alone with the Lord in our Quiet Place.Each person's "depression" is different and may need to be helped differently, but as much as I love the alleviation of suffering and anguish, SSRIs are not the way to go long term.I Thank God for empathetic people, who want to help others who are not feeling up to par.To not judge them, but to stick our necks out to help, even if at first they reject that attempt.Gal 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Hia Mloaks,This is one subject that I'd have to say, I've used a lot of "caution" with.One subject that I really feel the "Church" needs to address in their Churches or Fellowships.I know Scientists who will tell you, that we're being fed a lie about "inheriting" these "melancolias", etc..I sympathise most with folks going through any type of mental anguish, but at the same time, have given most of my life to find the 'cure' ... in studying Psychiatry to Pharmacology, to what 'powers' those two and then back to Theology.I would never say or take any of this lightly.God Bless.Annie

Annie,(Not the Inner Healing Movement)Please could you explain what you mean by the Inner Healing Movement? That way, I can work out if what I call 'inner healing' is the same thing you call it.... Or, do you mean they use a 'system', and everyone is processed in the same way? Or, please just tell me what you think is wrong with that 'movement'?

Gidday Linn, This will do it better than me ... http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/inner82.htmlI'm heading off for some outer healing movement ... toward my bed. :knockedout: Have a super-duper day.Love,moi

Annie,I'm glad that was a short page.What I'd like to know is, how the authors of the page KNOW God has nothing to do with the healing which (at least some) people experience through that method of approaching the prayer? I mean, do they just object to the logic of working out what the (origin of the) pain (or numbness) is, so it can be addressed in God's presence? (I'm not trying to hijack your discussion on antidepressants, btw.)(Note, I don't say either 'reliving' or 'feeling' the pain, because that's not what God has done for me, and, I did no 'visualisation' of Him..... I mean, I've never needed to visualise Jesus or the Father, to reach them through the Spirit, in prayer.)All this is not to say I don't hear the warnings about inadvertently inviting other spirits 'in'. However, this is not my experience of being born again, either, as now, with Jesus in my temple, He is driving out everything which offends His presence. Of course, a person who is not already born again should be coming to Jesus for their healing, if not for their salvation....... The line between these two is probably indefinable, except to those involved in praying with and for the person in need - or, the person in need him or herself.If you're still following what I'm saying here, that's great. I also notice the webpage does not suggest how old inner pain should be addressed..... if not in God's presence....... :-(

Hi Linn, I'm still brain tired, so I'll just quote one paragraph from that page to maybe focus in better, and most especially by the first few sentences in this paragraph ....Jesus works miraculously in our innermost being through the Word of God and the work of the Holy Spirit and therefore brings about what some may call "inner healing." But that’s where the similarity ends regarding what Jesus does and what the inner healers do. The similarity is only in the use of the words "inner healing," but that’s why it is so deceptive. People assume that, because Jesus works on the inside, all inner healing must be from Him. Nevertheless, while the inner healing movement claims to be Christian and uses a great deal of Scripture and brings a visualized Jesus onto the scene, the inner healing movement comes from the world, the flesh, and the devil. It relies on psychological ideas and techniques gleaned or absorbed from the world. It appeals to the flesh because the flesh would rather be "healed" than reproved of sin. And, it often uses Satanic methods of suggestion and occult visualization.Love ya,Talk to you when my brain catches up with my spirit. Ha !me