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BILL GAITHER AND GAYS – A NEW LOW IN THE “JUDGE NOT” PHILOSOPHY

sermonindex Jan 27, 2006

Since the early 1990s, the Gaither's Homecoming CD and video series has dramatically increased the popularity of Southern Gospel music in this generation. He has promoted the unscriptural ecumenical movement with its bogus "judge not" philosophy and its lack of concern about doctrinal purity. In late 2002, Bill Gaither and Mark Lowry met with and encouraged Marsha Stevens, the lesbian author of the popular gospel song "For These Tears I Died." Stevens, who has a ministry called BALM (Born Again Lesbian Music), attended the Gaither Homecoming concert in Phoenix in December 2002, with her lesbian partner. Mark Lowry, who has sung with the Gaither Vocal Band for many years, approached her and said that he was proud of what she is doing. Surprised, she said, "You know what I'm doing now?" He replied: "I sure do and I wish the fundamentalist would find Jesus. They're going to have a lot to answer for, leaving out people that Jesus died for" (Marsha Stevens, New Years Eve 2002 with Bill Gaither," www.christiangays.com). Bill and Gloria Gaither then came over and told her that they, too, appreciate her ministry today. A photo at Stevens' web site shows her and her lesbian partner with Bill Gaither and Mark Lowry. In the last part of the concert later that night, Gaither invited the crowd to sing along to "For Those Tears I Died." He then said: "You know, the young woman who wrote that song is here with us tonight, and maybe you're like she was and you've heard about a God who would reject you for who you are or who might turn you away for something you've done or where you've come from. Well I want you to know that I don't know that God. The only God I know is the one in this song that she wrote. The one that says, 'I am right here for you.' The one who sent His son. The one who says, 'You are my child, I love you, come stand by my side.' So sing with me again!" In fact, the Lord Jesus Christ did not die for tears; He died for sin. And He suffered to save men FROM their sins not in their sins (Titus 2:14). The Bible plainly teaches that homosexuality is a grave sin. It is described in Romans 1:26-28 as "vile affections" (v. 26), "against nature" (v. 26), "unseemly" (v. 27), and "a reprobate mind" (v. 28). Christ taught us that there is no salvation without repentance. "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Lk. 13:3, 5). To the woman caught in adultery He said, "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more" (Jn. 8:11). To the cripple man who was healed, Christ said, "Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee" (Jn. 5:14). The grace of God does not teach men that they can live as they please and still have God's blessing. "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world" (Titus 2:11-12). By God's marvelous grace, any homosexual can repent of his sin and cast himself upon Jesus Christ as his or her Lord and Saviour, but he cannot continue to live in his fornication and moral perversion and pretend that all is well between him and a holy God. Further, fornication is a cause for church discipline (1 Cor. 5).Krispy

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Nellie Jan 27, 2006

Thanks for posting this Krispy.No where in the Bible does it condone Homosexiality or any sin.We are not to accept this life style.When I played softball, we had some lesbians on the team.There came a time when I had to tell one of them that I couldn't condone this life style.Jesus died to save us from sin.We are to love the sinner, but hate the sin.God BlessNell

sermonindex Jan 27, 2006

When it comes to secular jobs, and things of that nature, we are to be salt and light in the world. I have no problem working with someone who is gay (so long as they dont flaunt it)... but for a ministry to condone it and join together with them in "the name of the Lord" is sin. Total sin. It also does a great disservice to the homosexual because they are led to believe that God accepts their lifestyle when He absolutely does not. There is a whole lot of deception... for the Christian who condones it, and for the homosexual who is decieved into thinking he/she is ok in God's eyes.Krispy

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PreachParsly Jan 27, 2006

Once on the street I was talking to a guy. I asked him questions about if he had lied, stolen and the such. He said that he had never done it. I really didn't believe him, and still don't to be honest. I then asked him, "oh, so you are perfect?" He said, "No, I'm not." I then asked him, "what do you do that makes you not perfect?" The reply was somewhat shocking, but showed he knew he was in sin. His reply was, "I sleep with boys." I then confronted him with his sin and he began to say he was born that way. I began to reason with him and he finally admitted it was his choice. He then likened it to stealing. He said, "It's like stealing, if you want it you just take it." We both knew stealing is wong and using his analogy we both agreed homosexuality is sin. They are with-knowledge (con-science) of right and wrong.

sermonindex Jan 27, 2006

Preach... As the father of four boys I am not sure what my reaction would be if I had been in your shoes. I have some very strong feelings about what type of justice should be meated out on people like that.Guess thats why I am not God.Krispy

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PreachParsly Jan 27, 2006

I don't really know if he was refering to young boys or males.. He was acting 'childish' so he may have just said boys as in 'guys' or so I hope.

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DezCall Jan 27, 2006

He replied: "I sure do and I wish the fundamentalist would find Jesus. They're going to have a lot to answer for, leaving out people that Jesus died for" (Marsha Stevens, New Years Eve 2002 with Bill Gaither," www.christiangays.com). Bill and Gloria Gaither then came over and told her that they, too, appreciate her ministry today. A photo at Stevens' web site shows her and her lesbian partner with Bill Gaither and Mark Lowry. In the last part of the concert later that night, Gaither invited the crowd to sing along to "For Those Tears I Died." He then said: "You know, the young woman who wrote that song is here with us tonight, and maybe you're like she was and you've heard about a God who would reject you for who you are or who might turn you away for something you've done or where you've come from. Well I want you to know that I don't know that God. The only God I know is the one in this song that she wrote. The one that says, 'I am right here for you.' The one who sent His son. The one who says, 'You are my child, I love you, come stand by my side.' So sing with me again!"Krispy, could you give me the exact reference/source of Bill saying this? I know a few Godly people (Godloving and Godfearing) who love his music. If this turns out to be true...well...then I know it is true. And it will break my heart to see how the true love and beauty of Christ and His powerful and purifying words are being degenerated and adapted to our modern day thinking and feelings. Idolatry is one of the biggest problems in Churches today: making Christ in our own image. The Christ, in full glory and beauty and tenderness and holiness...I do miss Him! May He reveal Himself more and more to us as individuals...and may we reflect Him to the Church.But...to come back to my point. I really desire to have the exact reference. That will give me the opportunity and foundation to talk with them about it.Thanks!Paul

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Sentry Jan 27, 2006

This sickens me... :-o Not so much the thought of Gay and Lesbians, but the thought of "Godly" people of influence taking this stance.Father, forgive us for our wicked ways, from straying from your Truth.

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saved_matt Jan 27, 2006

Some of what he says IS right though:You know, the young woman who wrote that song is here with us tonight, and maybe you're like she was and you've heard about a God who would reject you for who you are or who might turn you away for something you've done or where you've come from. Well I want you to know that I don't know that God.You bet he dont!The only God I know is the one in this song that she wrote.You bet he does!this is just absoutely aweful what next christian satanists?matt

sermonindex Jan 28, 2006

Well my friends this really should not come as a surprise to any of us we have read that it would come to pass. David Wilkerson prophecied in his book entitled, "The Vision".It clearly states that while this Super Church that Wilkerson called it began to rise the true Church of Jesus Christ would become more underground. What he saw in this Super church was the acceptance of homosexuals.This Charismatic movement coupled with the Word Of Faith are moving toward this Super Church structure. There is already quite a network out there, I thought I would never see the day that there would be so called gay churches standing for the name of Jesus, and having no thought that what they are doing is against God's design. Which only makes me come back to what Jesus said on the cross, "Father forgive for they no not what they do".

sermonindex Jan 28, 2006

This is s letter written by Mary Pearson a lesbian to Betty Robinson at Life Outreach International. There is also a response letter by James Robinson. It was quite the reading. The link is:Mary Pearson's Letter and James Robinson's Response

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brentw Jan 28, 2006

I like to know the evidence or some facts on this statement?? Someone called President Bush a mason with no proof.

sermonindex Jan 28, 2006

One of the youth leaders in our baptist church is openly gay.I warned our youth pastor before he came out of the closet.Now that he's out of the closet some of the parents are really upset, especially the parents that have boys in that class.This has been going on for months and he's still there TEACHING!He wanted to make all of the kids t-shirts pink.I think our church is afraid to get rid of him because their not sure what he'll do.You might see our church in the news one day! This is only the beginning for the church so God's people better wake up!

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ginnyrose Jan 28, 2006

I did a search on the web, and I am so sad to discover you are right, Krispy. So sad....so tragic...Now, I am just thinking out loud..I wonder what Shirley Dobson thinks about that? She co-authored a book with Gloria Gaither. Dr. Dobson has spoken out against the gay lifestyle for a long time....ginnyrose

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brentw Jan 28, 2006

ginnyrose,Where did you find the research??

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GaryE Jan 28, 2006

I've had my picture taken with a lot of people I don't know very well at a truckers chapel. A picture by itself does not mean a thing. I really don't know if Bill Gaither condones homosexual lifestyle or not, but I doubt it. If this is a lie to try to ruin a Christian leader, it surely wouldn't be the first and it won't be the last. Just think, maybe the enemy will spread untruths about yourself someday.In Christ,GaryE

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DezCall Jan 28, 2006

ginnyrose,Where did you find the research??Amen!Brothers and sisters...I want you to know that I deeply despise bashing other Christians without giving proper references or sources. It's not that I don't want to believe it...but I know satan is trying to demolish and get rid of the Church in every way. He's doing it by means of making homosexuality, no-need-to-marry etc. acceptable in the Church in the name of: God is love. However, I'm also very well aware that he likes to set up Christians against each other. There are many false accusations that ruin the testimony of godly men. There are many people who are all against the current spiritual state of the Church...but not because Christ is missing, but because they have a spirit of arrogance and rebellion. The Christian who's promoting homosexuality as alright and fine, has to repent. Period. He's defiling the beauty of Christ and how He has designed the sexuality and intimacy of a man and woman to be God-glorifying. However, the Christian who's speaking against the current state of the Church, against homosexuality and abortion...gets no free credit from me (and neither from God). What do I mean? Well, simply this: Speaking against something doesn't make you a sincere Christian, but a sincere Christian cannot but speak against the things that hurt the very heart of God. Makes sense?Well, to stick to my question: any references?In Him,Paul

sermonindex Jan 28, 2006

I just googled too, and I couldn't find anything of REAL substance.pretty disheartening.

sermonindex Jan 28, 2006

I did some digging and believe me I am not looking for these things to bash. But when someone accuses someone of something it needs to be checked out lest we go in ignorance and find ourselves in opposition to God. These are the links in reference to Bill Gaither and his so called love acceptance for gays. When you arrive at on each link do a MARSHA STEVENS word search as the page you are loading is long. I did not enjoy reading any of this as I do enjoy the singing ministry of Bill Gaither.Marsha Stevens (who is a lesbian) wrote and sang a song called, "For those tears I died". This song captured Bill Gaither that it was sung in one of his concerts. The following link will give you more details. Marsha Stevens and Bill GaitherThe next link is a letter of which she writes to Bill Gaither in response to the concert in which they sang her song. Again, you have to look for the name Marsha Stevens as this is a long page.Marsha Stevens letter to Bill GaitherPlease read carefully as to what is being said, and I would very much like to see what everyone thinks of all this. :-(

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brentw Jan 28, 2006

We still dont have proof yet. We have a gay woman giving HER story. We need to confirm this with the Gaithers!!

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