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Are you an Adulterer?

sermonindex Feb 1, 2006

Romans 2:17-24 Indeed you are called a Jew and rest on the Law and make your boast in God, and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the Law, and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, an instructor to the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the Law. You therefore who teach another, do you teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? You who say, do not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples. You who make your boast in the Law, do you dishonor God through breaking the Law? For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, as it is written. There is a call going out throughout the churches of the land to stand up and fight. Today it is for the marriage act that is upcoming. While there is no doubt that the forces of darkness are rising and that all the institutions that good people hold dear are under attack, we have to ask the question, why is this happening, for we all agree that it is horrifying and wrong. If we are to be successful in holding back the forces of darkness, we must understand our enemy and his strengths, just how he managed to take so much ground in such a short time. It is vital to know this answer, for in the answer to that question lies the seed of victory against the onslaught. The common answer that is put forward is that American Christians disengaged from the political system, was not involved, therefore the enemy was able to take much ground. This is such a sweet delusion that the enemy has perpetrated on the church and its leaders. It makes so much sense on so many levels, people can understand it and they can rally behind the clarion call. If the reason for our unfortunate position today is that we took ourselves out of the political fray, then the answer is obvious, we must enter the political fray and take back what we have lost. This is an excellent trap, snare, set by the enemy and good people everywhere are rushing headlong into the pit that has been so skillfully dug for them. Today's enemies are the homosexuals, Liberals, socialists amongst many. They, supposedly, are the cause of all our ails, and our lack of participation in the democratic process. Isn't it great that we have a visible enemy to blame, and for our part, all we have to do to fix it is get reengaged in the political process.........and, oh that's right.....don't forget to pray, we must not forget this important "caveat." Isaiah 58:8-10 Then your light shall break forth like the morning, your healing shall spring forth speedily, and your righteousness shall go before you: The glory of the Lord shall be your rearguard. Then you shall cry out and the Lord will answer; You shall cry and He will say "Here I am." If you take away the yoke from your midst, The pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness. If you extend your soul to the hungry and satisfy the afflicted soul, then your light shall dawn in the darkness and your darkness shall be like the noonday." Today, we point the finger. It is one of the ways we believe that we can "save our country." And yet, according to Leviticus 4:17 the fingers purpose was for dipping in the blood of purification and forgiveness, not for identifying enemies. As Christians we know who our enemy is. We know that the world is wicked and that it will climax in wickedness and then the Son of Man will make His appearance. Our concern is not with how wicked the world is, but what is the state of the church. Imagine our light is controlled by a dimmer switch. If the switch is turned down low, what happens? By the exact amount the light is decreased, then the darkness increases. Why is the darkness increasing? Because the light is decreasing. Now, what does that mean in practical terms in the church? Take marriage for instance, since that is the subject at hand. By many polls, including Barna's, the divorce rate in the church is the same, and in some categories, greater than that of the world. We have lost our legitimacy to be an example of what is good to the world, for they laugh and blaspheme us for we are the same as them if not worse. A lot divorces within the church are for reasons outside of Biblical legitimacy. The Bible clearly tells us that in those circumstances, if a man or woman remarries, then he is an adulterer and a bigamist. Where is the leadership from the church on this issue? When the Bible asks us "do you commit adultery," then it is trying to expose hypocrisy. If we will not deal with these issues within our own house, then our house is in disorder and we cannot lead. Do not expect the Lord to bless a house that is in disorder for ...... "When I shut up the heaven and there is no rain, or command the locust to devour the land, or send pestilence among My people, If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and call their senators, oh sorry, misprint, it should have read, turn from their wicked ways then I will hear from heaven and forgive their sin and heal their land. (2 Chronicles 7:15) If we turn from our wicked ways as a church, if we begin to lead from the front and by example, then only then will the power of God move through this land. It is not enough to appeal to the law if we are law breakers, first we must put that right and a great revival must flow through what we call the church, a revival of repentance, a revival seed, watered with the tears of a repentant people who have pulled down the high places of worship of idols in their own lives, who have chosen this day to follow what is right in the sight of the lord and not what is right in their own eyes. Then the word of God in Psalm 81:13-14 will make perfect sense as He talks to the children of Israel, not the wicked world ......................... Oh that my people would listen to Me. That Israel would walk in My ways! I would subdue their enemies and turn My hand against their adversaries.

sermonindex Feb 1, 2006

Hi Frank,Fairly recently, we have discussed adultery, divorce and remarriage in some detail, and it has been done her prior to that. But I don't think you're seeking a discussion of those points again.... you're saying we should turn back to the Lord, not 'back' to our political leaders, if we want to see the light increase and the darkness decrease. I hope there is also a willingness to let some people leave their hypocritical pasts behind, and an acceptance that there can be a new start on the basis of real honesty with God.

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lastblast Feb 1, 2006

http://www.marriagesforlife.com/page/page/2440201.htmBrother, there are men in the church, very learned, well-respected men, who are speaking up against this sin within the church. I just came back from a conference and I'm telling you, it was powerful and encouraging to know that there is a "remnant"----out of every denomination-----that desires to follow the Lord and purge out of ourselves all hypocrisies as they become known. If we are to preach a BELIEVEABLE message that Christ transforms, we must live it through obedience and putting self down so HE is lifted up for the world to see. Blessings in Him, Cindy

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Graftedbranc Feb 1, 2006

One thing I have not found among those who are strong on this point is what "repentance" involves regarding those who have divorced and remarried and are "living in adultry".Does genuine repentance involve divorcing the present wife and reconciling with the first wife? And what of those whose spouses have also remaired?It is one thing to boldly state a problem in the church, but few venture to advance any solution to the problem, At least outwardly. It seems rather they are content to stand on their high moral ground and take up stones.Considering the woman at the well in John 4 who had been married 5 times and was living with a man, did He council her to return to her 1st husband and be reconciled?As far as I can see, He revealed her sin but offered the Water of Life to drink and she went away amazed saying, "Come see a man who told me all that I have done. Is this not the Christ?"And to the woman caught in the act of Adultry,He said, "Go and sin no more".Graftedbranch

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ryanelijah Feb 1, 2006

I believe repentance involves turning from your sin, and doing everything God asks you to do in order to 'right this wrong'. However, I don't believe God would condone sin in order that someone would repent. There is always a Holy way to repent, one without fault or wrong. To divorce a spouse is wrong, and God hates it, although He has given a specific reason where He will allow it. (Although, I personally don't believe that is the best solution...) Regardless, I don't believe Jesus would ever condone divorcing someone, breaking up another family and destroying lives and hearts, in order to "reconcile" with the previous spouse. Whatever appropriate God led reconciliation will be done, but all the while the current marriage will be honored and lifted up to God for His guidance. I don't believe God would encourage anyone to even as much as dishonor their current spouse in the name of repentance. It just doesn't seem biblical?! What do you think?

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Graftedbranc Feb 1, 2006

AmenGraftedbranch

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PreachParsly Feb 1, 2006

I've been musing on this topic lately. Some say that if you have been divorced and remarried(to another) that you must divorce the one you are remarried to and either stay single or be reconciled back to the original. It doesn's seen right to divorce the one you are married to, but are you still in adultery?

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PreachParsly Feb 1, 2006

What does everyone think of this article? I ran across it on a website. Is it Biblical?___________________________Divorce and Remarriage Divorce and remarriage is an area of intense controversy among Christians. It is admittedly a difficult and complex issue. Doctrinal positions on this issue range from "no divorce, no remarriage under any circumstances" to "divorce for any cause." We, at Consuming Fire Fellowship, offer this concise doctrinal statement which we feel reflects the spirit and letter of Scripture regarding this issue.Marriage Is A Lifetime Contract In The Purpose of God.Genesis 2:24 speaks of the man and woman “cleaving” to each other and "becoming one flesh." Thus, breaking a marriage is like rending the body apart. The marriage contract is intended to be binding until death (I Corinthians 7:39).Marriage is symbolic of Christ and His Church (Ephesians 5:31,32) who are bound together in an indissoluble union.Divorce Is Sin And Should Never Be Practiced By Christians.Malachi 2:16 says that the Lord hates divorce; the Lord Jesus reaffirms this in Matthew 19:3-9 (what "God hath joined together, let not man put asunder").Nevertheless, should Christians be innocently abandoned and divorced by their spouses there is little they can do in our licentious and Christ-rejecting culture.The Exception Clause: For Fornication.The Lord Jesus names "fornication" as grounds for remarriage after one has been divorced (Matthew 19:3-9). However, what does our Lord mean when using the term "fornication?" The Greek word "pornea" translated "fornication" in Matthew 19 and Luke is used elsewhere in Scripture to denote "harlotry" (Luke 15:30); "incestuous relationships" (I Corinthians 5:1); "sodomite relationships" (Jude 1:7); "betrothal unfaithfulness" (Deuteronomy 22:13-21); and "marital unfaithfulness" (Proverbs 7:10-20; Hosea 2:2; Jeremiah 3:6-9; Ezekiel 16:28-34; 23:43-45), where adultery and fornication are used synonymously.As shown above, the restricting of "fornication" to mean only "betrothal unfaithfulness" is to ignore its usage in other parts of the Bible. Certainly, when Jesus cites "fornication" as an exception to His divine principles regarding divorce and remarriage He cannot be referring to single acts of sin. Why? Because elsewhere the Bible instructs Christians to forgive and to seek reconciliation, to love our enemies, and to even pray for those who despitefully use us. Therefore, we are of the opinion that what is meant in these passages refers to "perpetual adultery," or, being deserted by a spouse who then remarries another, thus committing continual adultery. There is no command in the Bible that marriage must be broken off for fornication or any other sin. There is a better course -- to forgive, and be reconciled (as in Hosea 1-3).Desertion By An Unbeliever.Desertion of a believing mate is addressed by the Apostle Paul in his first letter to the Corinthians (I Corinthians 7:15). The Apostle states that the believing mate "is not under bondage" in such cases. Again, we are of the opinion, based on the totality of Scripture, that "desertion" here refers to being abandoned, divorced, and the offending party remarrying another. Under these conditions the deserted Christian is not bound to the marriage contract.. This situation is in direct contrast to that of I Corinthians 7:11, where the "separated" believer is bound to the spouse. The same root word ("bound" or "bondage") is used in I Corinthians 7:27,39 where it refers to the marriage contract. Moreover, the incentive to remain with the unbelieving partner (i.e., that the unbelieving partner is sanctified by the unbelieving spouse) is nullified when the unbelieving partner deserts.Two Christians joined in wedlock do not have grounds for divorce outside of fornication. Allowance is made for "separation," but there is no allowance for divorce ("putting away") or remarriage ("let her remain unmarried"). The reason stated is that the door must always be open for "reconciliation."Scriptural Divorce Gives a Right To Remarry.Jesus quotes Deuteronomy 24:1,2 which clearly states that a right to divorce means a right to remarry (Matthew 19:8).Since a Scriptural divorce is a dissolution of marriage, the Scripturally divorced person is an unmarried person. When a former partner marries, the other party is automatically freed from the bonds of that marriage, regardless of where the guilt lies, and thus is free to remarry.Remarriage is not permitted for desertion of a believer by a believer, unless the deserting party remarries (thus committing adultery and breaking the marriage bond).Remarriage is not permitted in the absence of fornication or desertion of a believer by a believer where the divorced partner is still living.Remarriage is permitted when a former divorced partner is deceased. Moral Failure, When Duly Repented Of, Cannot Bar The Offended From Fellowship.When a person comes to Christ, he is forgiven of all failures in life, moral or otherwise (II Corinthians 5:17). Human obligations may continue, however. If he is divorced and remarried before salvation, he should remain in that new marriage, since to remarry the former spouse (even if possible) would be an abomination (Deuteronomy 24:3,4). If he is divorced without Scriptural cause and has not remarried and his spouse is not remarried, he may be reconciled to the former spouse or remain unmarried.Unscripturally divorced persons or unscripturally remarried persons should not be barred from church fellowship if there is clear evidence of repentance.The right hand of fellowship may be denied for those who deliberately obtain an unscriptural divorce or remarriage against counsel. When considering a divorced person for an official church position, the Elders must weight the facts of each case in order to determine eligibility.Sanctity of Marriage.We are as fully committed to the sacred character of marital commitments as other believers. We join with them in deploring the high divorce rate and the disintegration of family life. Our view of the Scriptures is not a careless yielding to the spirit of modern life, but a conscientious examination of the entire teaching of God's Word on this subject. Let us hope our Scriptural conscience is respected by those of differing views.

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ryanelijah Feb 1, 2006

Hmmm... good call. I don't know. But some people are going to get extremely angry with me for this, but here's my thoughts. (Most divorce happens for the stupidest reasons. I once heard a woman claim that she wanted to divorce her husband because he didn't turn the TV off during innappropriate commercials. Another woman claimed, "I've just never been attracted to him." All I can think is, if that guy is ever willing to take you back... you are lucky. I'm a girl, so I can say that easier than a guy...) Anyway, all of that to say: I know all too well the pains of adultery. (Seems its everywhere, eh?) But the fact remains: Would it be better to work through problems with your current spouse, or to divorce because "technically" you're allowed and leave your children with a broken home. The funny thing is, even if you do divorce and remarry, there is NO GUARANTEE that your new spouse won't cheat. We are all vulnerable. I mean if David can fall, how can we say we are totally immune, right? Don't get me wrong, I think it would be a healthy thing to do to separate, seek counseling etc. But if you are going to work on a relationship, and you will have to work on whatever relationship you chose to enter, why not work on the one that restores! I don't want a technical salvation, and I don't want a technical way out of divorce. Think about Hosea. He had every technical reason to divorce!!! Even still, I think one broken marriage due to adultery is more than enough, and to leave your second spouse and family seems silly to me! But then again, I'm not in that position. I just really question what these people are getting taught by their leaders, and on top of that, as a woman, I would be deeply offended if the only reason my exhusband came back to me was because he didn't want to be in adultery with the woman he left me for. Seems silly...

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lastblast Feb 1, 2006

One thing I have not found among those who are strong on this point is what "repentance" involves regarding those who have divorced and remarried and are "living in adultry".http://www.marriagesforlife.com/page/page/2440201.htmAt the conference I just attended (in the link I provided above), those speakers are most certainly not weak concerning what they believe and teach about repentance. They are as loving and Gentle as they can be when confronted with adulterous remarriages in their midst, but they do not compromise on what they believe the Word of God teaches on the matter. There are many pastors today who will say privately that they DO believe remarriage is adultery (while a 1st spouse lives), yet they will not come out and say how one is to repent in such a case. Those who say that one is just to "confess" and continue living with the 2nd/3rd, etc spouse cannot show where the adultery turns into a lawful marriage in scripture...........which is very confusing to those who understand the nature of repentance and find themselves in these situations.I know a woman who spoke to a very well known pastor recently. She is in the process of "leaving" her adulterous marriage (she was married previously). She can't see repentance being accomplished in any other way than by forsaking this adulterous relationship (that's what one does concerning "extra-marital" relationships). She sees herself still joined by God to her 1st husband........this marriage being adultery, not a binding marriage in the sight of God. This pastor told her she was sinning if she left this marriage---yet he had no scripture to show her where the adultery turned into a lawful, joined by God marriage. As a matter of fact, Rom. 7:2-3, I Cor. 7:39 seems to show that adultery/remarriage does NOT dissolve a previous marriage. She told me that to understand the nature of true repentance and have someone tell you to stay in a relationship the Lord called sin, having no scriptural support to verify this response, is utter confusion and contradiction to her.I know most of us would feel much more comfortable if repentance in these situations only involved confession. However, the scriptures dealing with the nature of the original marriage bond cannot be ignored. In order to be fully confident one is NOT in sin, there needs to be biblical evidence that the sin somehow changes and that repentance works differently concerning this type of illicit relationship. Blessings in Him, Cindy

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byandby Feb 1, 2006

Sorry, Double post

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1956Ford Feb 1, 2006

Cindy that is wonderful news that you speak of this lady who is repenting of her adultery. I too was an adulteress. I was married to a divorced man. I repented of that remarital adultery.My testimony is at www.poovy.8m.comCheryl Poovy's Yarbs For Yankees & Why I repented of an adulterous remarriage. www.poovy.8m.com Visit my audio website http://68.70.125.99:8081/ to listen to broadcasts on MDR ftp://public:public@68.70.125.99

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byandby Feb 1, 2006

Hello 56Ford and Lastblast!I was at the Marriages for Life Conference too. I was amazed to see such distinguished men in the leadership of the body of Christ worldwide call the church back to the truth on marriage divorce and remarriage.There was so much teaching shared by so many! Here is what Jerome, the great father of the church wrote on the subject when asked about a particular case:'In explaining the testimony of the apostle, "The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband; and likewise, also, the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife," we have subjoined the following: "The entire question relates to those who are living in wedlock, whether it is lawful for them to put away their wives, a thing which the Lord also has forbidden in the Gospel.Following the decision of the Lord the apostle teaches that a wife must not be put away saving for fornication, and that, if she has been put away, she cannot during the lifetime of her husband marry another man, or, at any rate, that she ought, if possible, to be reconciled to her husband. In another verse he speaks to the same effect: `The wife is bound ...as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband; she is at liberty to be married to, whom she will; only in the Lord.I find joined to your letter of inquiries a short paper containing the following words: "ask him,(that is me,) whether a woman who has left her husband on the ground that he is an adulterer and sodomite and has found herself compelled to take another may in the lifetime of him whom she first left be in communion with the church without doing penance for her fault." As I read the case put I recall the verse "they make excuses for their sins." We are all indulgent to our own faults; and what our own will leads us to do we attribute to a necessity of nature. It is as though a young man were to say, "I am over-borne by my body, the glow of nature kindles my passions, the structure of my frame and its reproductive organs call for sexual intercourse." Or again a murderer might say, "I was in want, I stood in need of food, I had nothing to cover me. If i shed the blood of another, it was to save myself from dying of cold and hunger." Tell the sister, therefore, who thus enquires of me concerning her condition, not my sentence but that of the apostle. "Know ye not, brethren (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband, so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then, if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress." And in another place: "the wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord." The apostle has thus cut away every plea and has clearly declared that, if a woman marries again while her husband is living, she is an adulteress. You must not speak to me of the violence of a ravisher, a mother's pleading, a father's bidding, the influence of relatives, the insolence and the intrigues of servants, household losses. A husband may be an adulterer or a sodomite, he may be stained with every crime and may have been left by his wife because of his sins; yet he is still her husband and, so long as he lives, she may not marry another.The apostle does not promulgate this decree on his own authority but on that of Christ who speaks in him. For he has followed the words of Christ in the gospel: "whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced, committeth adultery." Mark what he says: "whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." Whether she has put away her husband or her husband her, the man who marries her is still an adulterer.I have not been able quite to determine what it is that she means by the words "has found herself compelled" to marry again. What is this compulsion of which she speaks? Was she overborne by a crowd and ravished against her will? If so, why has she not, thus victimized, subsequently put away her ravisher? Let her read the books of Moses and she will find that if violence is offered to a betrothed virgin in a city and she does not cry out, she is punished as an adulteress: but if she is forced in the field, she is innocent of sin and her ravisher alone is amenable to the laws. Therefore if your sister, who, as she says, has been forced into a second union, wishes to receive the body of Christ and not to be accounted an adulteress, let her do penance; so far at least as from the time she begins to repent to have no farther intercourse with that second husband who ought to be called not a husband but an adulterer. If this seems hard to her and if she cannot leave one whom she has once loved and will not prefer the Lord to sensual pleasure, let her hear the declaration of the apostle: "ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table and of the table of devils," and in another place: "what communion hath light with darkness? and what concord hath Christ with Belial?' –Letters 55, 58Bless youByandBy

sermonindex Feb 2, 2006

Hello everyone,PreachParsly, this was discussed in depth in the thread 'Help! I've got 10 wives!!'https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5599&forum=36

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1956Ford Feb 2, 2006

Lastblast,By and By thought you may like this one. Here is a testimony from a pastor who repented of an adulterous remarriage in 1907. "I was born June 30th, 1882, a few miles south of Memphis, Tennessee, and spent the earlier part of my life in and about that section. At the age of 19 I was married to a young lady of 17. She was then... excellent girl. About four years later we moved to Chicago, Illinois., where we were both converted and sanctified, and lived a happy Christian life for some time. But as time passed my wife grew cold and indifferent, and finally renounced religious scruples, and went in to open sin and uncleanness to such an extent that I was forced to "put her away” according to Matthew 5:32. However, I remained unmarried, having been instructed by the Bible and my religious teachers that there were Bible grounds to put away the unclean party, but none whatever to -remarry while-she-lived. So I believed and taught this for years, from the pulpit and through the press. But later on I read more largely on the subject and met many holy, devout men, as I went forth in the evangelistic work, who were more experienced both in Word and ministry than I, and who believed there were Bible grounds for the innocent party to remarry under my circumstances, taking Matthew 19:9 for their authority.... The rest of the testimony is at http://poovy.8m.com/humphrey.htmlCheryl Poovy's Yarbs For Yankees & Why I repented of an adulterous remarriage. www.poovy.8m.com Visit my audio website http://68.70.125.99:8081/ to listen to broadcasts on MDR ftp://public:public@68.70.125.99

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TonyS Feb 2, 2006

Cheryl,this portion was at the very end of this incredible story:"Since we did so (ended an adulterous remarriage), I feel as clean as an angel. And I am fully convinced that divorce-marriages are wrong; no matter if every preacher in the universe says they are not. I have been in Hell (so to speak) for almost two years on account of listening to false teachers. O,.friend! don't be deceived by any preacher or teacher! It is wrong beyond all shadow of doubt! If I had the voice of an archangel I would sound it from pole to pole. I came near losing my soul by giving ear to these false teachers, rather than to God! Of course, many of them are good, well-meaning Christian men, but they are only giving their opinions, and also what that isolated passage in Matt. 19:9 seems to mean. But I have been caught in the snare of the thing, and God has been hurling light and conviction on my soul for nearly two years, both night and day, making me know and feel that the thing is wrong. I am not writing what I think, but what I positively know; and am willing to seal this testimony with my blood.I know whereof I speak. And no matter how conferences or church disciplines may rock the conscience of the people to sleep, telling them they can marry while their husbands or wives live; they are wrong, and the souls whom they are deceiving will find it out when eternity is unveiled, if not before. I thank God that He kept conviction and light streaming from heaven on my soul until I walked in it, in spite of all the false comforters who were crying, Peace, Peace, when there was no peace; but dread, fear and awful uncertainty."Sister this is my testimony. God is in no wise amused, and is calling for a return to Holiness if we are to know his glory. It really is heart-breaking to see and know so many with no real peace, no real blessed assurance because they have been sold a bill of goods that "God Understands and is winking at it all". It would serve us well to understand that which He forbids is forbidden. Maybe the times of this ignorance He has winked at? I don't know, but I am glad He is raising up a remnant that refuses to bend nor bow to popular opinion and is giving equal time to the call to forsake heterosexual sin.Blessings,tonys

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Christinyou Feb 2, 2006

"Are you an adulterer"? Yes, Am I forgiven? Yes, completely. Will I be a adulterer in the future, Probably, Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. but the Christ in me is loving me so much that I don't want to be an adulterer, and He is winning. Are you a sinner? Yes Am I forgiven? Yes completely. Do I have the Mind of Christ? Yes. Is He winning? Yes! The less I become the more He becomes. He will win and I will be the winner. Jesus Christ is my Hope of Glory. Someday I will be perfect and that does not keep me from wanting to be perfect now and knowing He is the only way. My perfection will be because of the Christ in me and not because of what I do, but because of what He has done.In Christ: Phillip

sermonindex Feb 2, 2006

Amen Phillip.

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lastblast Feb 3, 2006

http://www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/IA-repent.htm"The meaning of the word repentance has been twisted in recent years to the point that its biblical meaning is now obscured in the minds of many. The idea that genuine repentance could result in anything but a change of life is completely foreign to Scripture. What does the Bible teach about the relationship between salvation and repentance? First, it teaches that repentance is essential to salvation. One cannot truly believe unless he repents, and one cannot truly repent unless he believes. Repentance and faith are two sides of the same coin (but they are not synonymous terms). Acts 11:18 and 2 Peter 3:9 are two of the many verses that teach that repentance is necessary for salvation. Perhaps 2 Timothy 2:25 best sums up the relationship between repentance and saving faith when it speaks of "repentance to the acknowledging of the truth" (see also Acts 20:21). Second, the Greek word for repentance, "metanoia," while it means "to have another mind," cannot properly be defined to exclude a sense of hatred of and penitence for sin. The biblical concept of repentance involves far more than merely a casual change of thinking. Biblically, a person who repents does not continue willfully in sin. Repentance is a turning from sin, and it always results in changed behavior (Luke 3:8). While sorrow from sin is not equivalent to repentance, it is certainly an element of scriptural repentance (2 Corinthians 7:10). Finally, despite what is being widely taught today, affirming that repentance and acknowledgement of Jesus' lordship are necessary to salvation does not "add" anything to the requirement of faith for salvation. It is not "faith plus repentance" that saves, but rather a repentant faith. The notion that salvation is possible apart from a genuine, heartfelt repentance, which includes a deep hatred of sin, is a relatively new one, neither believed nor taught by the people of God until the twentieth century."I think MacArthur is right on concerning the nature of repentance. However, even he, concerning the MDR issue, does not remain consistant in his teachings. He teaches when one is under the conviction of being IN an adulterous marriage (through study of the Word), that repentance of this adultery is just confession/sorrow over "past" mistakes. He teaches that one cannot "unscramble the egg", yet he cannot show how the FIRST egg CAN be unscrambled---the one blended together by God's own hand. How can one "unscramble" what GOD has joined together, but not unscramble that which God has NOT joined together (adultery)? I believe the current trends and practices within the confessing Body of Christ have clouded our being able to rightly reason what repentance means concerning this type of adultery. We don't seem to have any problem understanding what repentance means for other sins. I believe the reason is this: adultery by remarriage is NOW accepted in MOST of the professing Church........therefore, I believe, PRACTICE of sin has blinded us to what the Lord has clearly called sin in His Word. We now will argue about it or justify it because surely, He really didn't MEAN what He said.We(the Western Church) have become what Paul rebuked in the Corinthian church (I Cor. 5). We believe we are full of "Grace" and "mercy" because we allow sin to remain in the camp----covering it over, instead of holding to God's standard of holiness. We do have many "holiness" preachers, but even many of them are guilty of this sin. Someone wrote me not too long ago about the so-called holiness preachers and their hypocrisy on this issue. It makes the message they proclaim of "holiness" and "being separated for Christ's sake" seem to be the ultimate in hypocrisy. They are not believeable to those of us who see the hypocrisy---which is a shame because much of their message IS good and biblically correct.I am greatly encouraged though that God has and is working in the saints concerning this issue of repentance from adultery. That testimony from the Pastor who repented from his adulterous marriage in 1907 was incredible........I am hearing more and more such testimonies. Maybe/Hopefully, testimonies such as his and the other testimonies of today will encourage people to seek the WORD of GOD and obey it BEFORE they find themselves in such a painful mess----wondering if they have to depart from the sin or whether they can "stay" in it with the Lord's blessings........My heart is truly grieved for the upcoming generation who is looking to us to provide examples of holiness/righteousness in Christ. Unless we repent of all of our adulteries, (of heart AND action)instead of excusing ourselves, our children will follow suit, turning the Lord's design for marriage into even more of an abomination in His sight. Hard words, I know, but words that are sown deep in my heart-----in mourning for the church. In Him, Cindy

sermonindex Feb 3, 2006

Amen Cindy.......Just a thought. I am from Scotland and have lived in the States for 16 years. Two of the biggest problems in the church seem to be divorce(over 50% of "Christians) and prosperity. This is merely a reflection of the culture. and that is what we are as a church. Instead of being a counter culture, we are merely a sub-culture. In fact we find oursleves as soldiers "protectimg our culture. I believe this springs out of the third problem the American church has, nationalism. In my experience, proffesing Christians are often American first and Christians second. This has been made worse by Christian leaders dragging Christians into politics and trying to convnce us all that America is akin to the New Jerusalem. (Please read Lions led by donkeys., Judgement on American Christian leaders)...........Frank

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