Microchip implants, GPS and Jesus

I'm curious to know what people think of microchip implants and things of that nature? I've had someone send me tons of stuff on this by email, and so have been forced to think about it. Here is where I stand (at this time, anyway) There is one part of me that no one can have, or control, and that is the part of me that belongs to God - my spirit. People in the world may try to control me, own me, implant chips in me, and even kill me, but they cannot keep me from God, no matter what they do. We are citizens of another kingdom, and that is our home. HEre we are foreigners. Even our national identity is not really who we are. Paul was a citizen of Rome, but he did not regard Rome as having any ownership of him. I think that those who regard the implant as the mark of the beast have missed the entire spirit of Scripture. They do not understand the nature of the forces of evil in the HEAVENLY REALMS, the spiritual battle we are in. I suspect that the "mark" is something discerned in the spirit. It is something that says that we belong NOT to God, but to this world. All who do not have the "mark" of the Spirit, the seal of ownership do not belong to God. There is no in- between place. You either belong to God, or the kingdom of the world. (Satan's domain) The chip has many good purposes, so in itself it is not evil. However, evil people can get a hold of it and use it for evil puroposes - that goes for just about anything - credit cards, etc Diane

Revelation 13 talks about people assuming the mark of the beast of which one will not be able to buy or sell unless he has this mark. This mark will be placed either on the right hand or the forehead. Now if you believe in the pretrib rapture, one will likely think they will be gone from this planet and so this technology would not bother them and would submit to it. However, if you think Christians will experience tribulation, this will be a very sobering thing and if you treasure your walk with God, have heaven as your goal, you will want to refrain from assuming anyhthing that will smack of the mark of the beast and thus jeopardizing your eternal destination. To complicate matters more, many well-meaning saints of old have mistakenly assumed certain persons as being the beast Revelation talks about. So the question is: how can we be 100% certain this person is the beast Revelation warns us about? Personally, I would rather err on the side of caution then embrace something that would later prove to be destructive. This is my two cents worth.....ginnyrose

brethrenspeaking of the middle east check this out on bro Rahman's thread on the precarious position of our economy. I also agree that judgment is about to fall on our nation in the form of economic trouble, and possibly even war that could end up being waged here on our very own turf.I don't know whether or not you guys have been following what's happening with Iran, but it appears to me that the stage is being set for the US to attack them for the same reason that we went into Iraq, namely to preserve the power of the American dollar as the supreme international currency.What many people don't know is that just before we took him out, Saddam Hussein was planning to begin trading oil for European Euro's instead of Americam dollars. Many economic experts predict that had he been allowed to do this, it would have destroyed the international community's confidence in the dollar, leading to a collapse of the American economy. Well, here's the new bad news: Beginning in March of this year, Iran is planning to do the same thing. Please read the following article:http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=article&id=1998Oil Bourse to Strengthen Prestige of Europe, IranWednesday, February 1, 2006To the detriment of America, if the Iranian oil bourse proceeds as planned in March 2006, one of the most underreported stories of the year will dramatically leap into view.Most Americans probably don’t worry about Iran too much. Talk of it developing a nuclear bomb probably strikes a raw nerve—especially coupled with the Iranian president’s anti-Jew comments. But with our hectic lives, we have little time to think about it. The trouble is, Iran has been thinking a lot about you. Its leaders are keen on America’s destruction—and that means you. That’s why one of the most underreported stories of 2006 deserves America’s attention.In March 2006, Iran is planning to launch an oil bourse. As it is understood, the bourse (a trading mechanism where someone sells and another buys) will sell oil in euros. Iran seeks to strike at the twin pillars of U.S. economic dominance: dollar reserves and confidence in the American economy.This plan, if carried out, would strengthen two fast-rising power blocs: Europe and Iran.For half a century, the American dollar has been the reserve currency of the world. Seventy percent of all currency reserves are held in American dollars.This has a lot to do with the fact that oil, the most important commodity in the world, is mostly priced in U.S. dollars. The majority of countries, being oil importers, are generally forced to buy their oil in U.S. dollars. Along with related economic considerations, this encourages them to keep most of their foreign currency in dollars.In turn, the debt-burdened U.S. economy is dependent upon the high demand for its currency in order to remain afloat. Sale of the U.S. dollar, in one way or another, funds major national debts. The day this demand comes to an end portends disaster for the American economy. This is where the seemingly innocuous subject of an Iranian oil bourse becomes anything but harmless for America.The proposed March 2006 launch of the Iranian oil bourse, if successful, would give the euro a foothold in the international oil trade, solidifying its status as an alternative oil transaction currency. This could be a catalyst for a major currency flight from the dollar to the euro—and a disaster for America.Here is why.Europe, among other major dollar-holding nations, will no longer have to buy dollars to purchase oil. For Europe, and any other country that might buy on the euro-denominated bourse, this means a shift away from the dollar reserve. The consequences for America would be immediate. Sale of Treasury bills to foreign nations would be curtailed as the purchase of euros accelerates. This would injure America’s capacity to finance its national debt. With this, Americans would feel more than a pinch. The Foundation for the Economics of Sustainability predicted, “As countries and businesses converted their dollar assets into euro assets, the U.S. property and stock market bubbles would, without doubt, burst.”Conversely then, as nations increasingly switch currency reserves from the dollar to the euro, dealing a considerable wallop to America’s global prestige, Europe’s stature will mature. Moreover, with Europe stabilizing under the beating heart of Germany’s economy, foreign nations could seemingly begin to look to Europe’s leadership rather than that of America. For Europe, which has sought an identity independent of America’s foreign-policy initiatives for the last half century, the bourse could act as a catalyst to propel the Union into a greater global standing. Again, America will receive the short end of the stick.Also, a dollar flight and subsequent purchase of euros would strengthen the European economy. The European economy is poised, should the bourse proceed, to receive a major jolt of economic confidence. By contrast, America’s economy, which stands or falls on consumer confidence, could receive a death blow.For Europe, a flush of cash would offer new opportunities to finance pan-European projects like defense and armaments. According to an Oct. 13, 2005, report by Associated Press, Britain and France have called upon their European allies to beef up defense spending. Up to now, European states have been cutting spending on defense budgets and falling well short of the American benchmark, which is over $450 billion annually. The problem is, nobody has the money. According to British Defense Secretary John Reid, his challenge is trying “to convince our colleagues to try and find a reasonable amount of money.” Right now, the European Union spends only about $218 billion on defense each year, creating glaring gaps in European defense—something a heavy amount of purchasing of euros instead of dollars could fix.According to nato figures, America spends 3.9 percent of its annual budget on defense. Remember, foreigners help finance that budget by buying dollars, so a switch to euro reserves would also have the added effect of striking at America’s ability to finance its military.As an influx of cash could begin to solve some of the most divisive problems between European states aspiring for a united Europe, European unity could receive a shot in the arm. Right now, Germany is emerging as the uncontested leader of European policy initiatives east of the Danube by effectively dealing with the Russian bear. But also, it is emerging as the internal voice for change within the Union itself. A cash-rich Union—which over the last few years has been persistently hampered by budget constraints and internal squabbling over transfer payments to different states—would be positioned to focus on issues of unity and policy. The bourse, then, could help to eliminate divisive cash problems and open opportunities for a newly resurgent Germany to ply its version of the European Union.For itself, Iran no doubt has multiple motives for making this move. For one, it makes sense economically, especially since the European Union is Iran’s biggest trading partner. More importantly, it would strike a blow to Iran’s archenemy America. Finally, making Iran the main hub for oil deals in the region would help drive the Islamic Republic forward in its quest for regional supremacy.As Gerard Baker puts it in a January 27 Times Online article, Iran is already on the threshold of creating a new moment in the history of the world, ranking its world-changing influence up there with Hitler and the Bolshevik Revolution. Couple its push for a new oil-exchange mechanism with Baker’s observations and you have a position where “No country in a region that is so riven by religious and ethnic hatreds will feel safe from the new regional superpower.”George Perkovich, an Iran expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, stated it frankly: “It’s part of a very intelligent, creative Iranian strategy—to go on the offense in every way possible and mobilize other actors against the U.S.” (Christian Science Monitor, Aug. 30, 2005).Obviously, Iran is eager to eliminate American influence. For Iran, which foresees a “clash of civilizations” between Islam and America, undermining the dollar could prove to be its best and most effective strike against a more capable military foe. As one commentator put it, the impact of the Iranian oil bourse on the U.S. dollar and the follow-on effect on the U.S. economy could be worse than Iran launching a “direct nuclear attack.”Should the bourse proceed, watch for a U.S. dollar flight into euros—and for the corresponding fall of America’s twin economic pillars, the dollar reserve and confidence in the American economy. With the Iranian oil bourse, Americans could end up holding the bag, and Europe and Iran the prize. while i believe the church will be raptured, i don't think she'll escape without some licks so i pray we gird ourselves for the very worst lest we be caught off guard by times of trouble and persecution.

Ironman, this sounds grim, indeed - for the entire world, if you're prediction is right. And it sounds like a possiblity for the not-too-distant future. However, has history not often taken unexpected turns? Disease, natural calamities or other factors could change a lot of things The important thing is to learn to discern God's voice, and trust in him because he knows how to best prepare us for what's ahead. Now about the microchip. If it is the "mark", then it would have to be applied world wide. However, it is a product of the industrial, technologically advanced world. That leaves a lot of people out. I think "Prophets" of end times typically view their predictions through their OWN cultural biases. There is another problem with the microchip theory: And that is that not all who refuse it are truly saved. The Amish have been refusing society's "marks" for a long time, but that is not an indication that they belong to Christ. I know some very radical people who feel very strongly that they must avoid anything that would indicate that they are "owned" by the state, because it will lead to THE MARK: ex drivers liscence, passports, credit cards. etc. However, to me it's obvious that they have no intention of seeking God, following him, and centering their lives on Christ. They are following the "letter" but missing the spirit of the word. Historically many have speculated who the beast was, what 666 was, but, they proved wrong over and over again. Obviously they did not get their "information" from the Spirit. They are playing chess with God's word. So I say, if the Spirit doesn't reveal the meaning of prophetic terms, I'm not going to speculate. Diane

sis Dianethis portion of the post was actually by Billy7 and when i pasted the text i didn't mention that. forgive me. he also found the article which was attached to the post.I also agree that judgment is about to fall on our nation in the form of economic trouble, and possibly even war that could end up being waged here on our very own turf.I don't know whether or not you guys have been following what's happening with Iran, but it appears to me that the stage is being set for the US to attack them for the same reason that we went into Iraq, namely to preserve the power of the American dollar as the supreme international currency.What many people don't know is that just before we took him out, Saddam Hussein was planning to begin trading oil for European Euro's instead of Americam dollars. Many economic experts predict that had he been allowed to do this, it would have destroyed the international community's confidence in the dollar, leading to a collapse of the American economy. Well, here's the new bad news: Beginning in March of this year, Iran is planning to do the same thing. Please read the following article:now this does confirm however what the Lord has been showing me of late concering what is to come very soon. like you said though, the main thing is to seek the Lord for guidance. He's openning my eyes to what's really going on economically and cnn, fox and most other networks are feeding us this "everything is ok" stuff such that people really belive the economy is strong. when this thing crashes, a lot of people will be left in shock and some will curse God and others will seek Him. Sis Diane as much as i'd like to say it, i can't, we're not dodging this bullet so hold on to God, like never before. about the microchip being relegated only to the advanced nations, the world out there is pretty advanced, more so than we like to think sometimes at least so i see nothing hindering that from happenning except the hand of the Lord. when He does remove His hand though, the enemy will do whatever needs to be done to get this mark to all corners of the earth. for whoever will take it. i know it doesn't seem likely that it could happen but in the days of noah, noone had ever seen rain before till it fell and washed them away...you also said that not all people who refuse it are saved necessarily which i think is true, but if one doesn't take hold of Christ, then he belongs to the enemy.people have speculated on who the antichrist is. funny enough though they seem to neglect that one of the things he does is bring about world peace, when that happens, you can bet your milk and cookies that he's the one. i mean people have said hitler, stalin, the pope but none of these men (though they may have had a spirit of antichrist) brought about the peace in the world and between israel and the arabs or even presided over a one-world government. i think people neglect certain things to make the bill fit and so they mess up. anyway sis, the bottom line is we should all (or at least whoever will) REPENT, REPENT, REPENT OR DIE!!!.AMEN

I don't know whether or not you guys have been following what's happening with Iran, ...the US to attack them for the same reason that we went into Iraq, ...to preserve the power of the American dollar as the supreme international currency....What many people don't know...Saddam Hussein was planning to begin trading oil for European Euro's instead of Americam dollars. Many economic experts predict ... it would have destroyed the international community's confidence in the dollar, leading to a collapse of the American economy. I'm probably asking for a good cuffing here, but I really think there is too much speculation among our prophets. The very voices that are telling us to be separate from the world seem to feel authorized to mix scripture with daily headlines that range from unsubstantiated short-wave broadcasts to amateur blog-sites. In addition to being spiritual leaders many prophets today also appear as qualified experts on economics, technology and military movements.I remember being a young Christian trying to learn about the faith under the prophetic shadow of the coming war with the Soviet Union. I believe our infatuation with end times senarios of Russia and Israel in the 70's and 80's was so widespread that the American Evangelical Church actually became a political force for cold war agendas coming out of Washington., Of course the USSR is no more, but speculative prophecy is alive and well...and I believe it's weakening the better mission of a prophet which is to direct eyes upward, the visibility of Jesus and the Father...not secret insight into geo-politics of other nations or into our storage freezers. During the Revolutionary War it is recorded that members of the church thought King George was the anti-Christ. And we all know that people thought Hitler was the end. But hindsight is 20/20 and our current prophets know better.Or do they?IN April of 2000 David Wilerson asserted the following:"For the last two years I have been crying aloud, warning all who would hear that America is receiving her last call and that judgment is at the door. I did not say this was the end of the nation, but the last call before a financial crash."I am writing this letter to you on Saturday, April 15, 2000. I have on my desk the headlines in yesterday's paper: "BLACK FRIDAY - BIGGEST ONE-DAY DROP IN HISTORY." The Dow fell 618 points - the Nasdaq fell 355. I do not know what is coming in the next sixty days. If the market bounces back, I can assure you it will be temporary. THE CRASH IS INEVITABLE - NOTHING CAN STOP IT."Later that year he was forced to admit the following..."In prayer, I have told the Lord I am ready at any time to confess I am wrong - that I must have spoken from my own fears or that I have spoken unadvisedly. Recently, when the market reached record highs, I wondered if those calling me a false prophet were right."Now if a tried and true tested man of God like Wilkerson can let the fears that try all of us taint his prophecy, then I think the rest of us should take heed. In a time when people are eager to look past illusions and find reality, fear seems like the most sane reponse to our world. But it does not take a prophet to speculate fear. We know they may very well be a nuclear war or financial crash in future human history. I was learning about these things from unregenerate professors in college. See the movie Koyannistatsi or read the book "Entropy:the greenhouse Effect."...are these men also prophets?Forgive my bluntness but I think the prophet does not speculate about such things. The examples of Jeremiah, Amos and others not withstanding, the prophet may indeed warn the people about the holiness of God and agains t the injustice of a society, but they do not add to these missions speculations about things they really can't be sure of. Instead stick to the spiritual realities behind the movements of earthly kingdoms...don't try to speculate about Iran and such. In all likehood you will be wrong, or mostly wrong and your testimony as a prophet for Christ will be tainted.Now one day, some one will predict a war or a famine and be right. But then again, even a blind squirrel finds an acord now and then. ;-)Okay, I'm a fair guy...sock it to me. I love you guys, and I'm not mad or anything. I'm just expressing a concern as I see it. MC

Interesting topics. I think this is an important issue that needs to be brought up and discussed both more and less.More in some cases, because some people have no knowledge or understanding of the subject matter or the importance of it, and as such are underprepared.Less in some cases, because there are many "Chicken Little" churches/groups/internet sites/prohets, who all they do is predict doom, without bringing people that much closer to God.While I read through some of the information on the website shown by MeAgain, and some of it was well thought-out and sound, but some is shaky, and there is a lot of warning without a real sense of God's presence or grace, which I felt compelled to make a post about. If you want, you can find it here...http://www.theverichip.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84Maybe I was too harsh on them, but that was simply what I felt led to say. There is a form of godliness there, but not a wholeness, which distresses me. I was somewhat blunt, but it is my prayer that my words bring more health to the community, even if it brings a little hurt.Maybe I overstepped my bounds. Only God knows that. But personally, I wouldn't have too much to do with that forum as is, just because of the state it is in.No offense to anyone from that forum that reads this or it meant, of course.

I felt compelled to make a post about. If you want, you can find it here...Maybe I was too harsh on them, but that was simply what I felt led to say. There is a form of godliness there, but not a wholeness, which distresses me.Matt, I read your word to that forum, and I sensed that it was a genuine word that flows from the heart of God - what I believe is a true prophetic word and speaks to us as well. I don't sense any harshness. Satan has been a master at sidetracking God's people - and he uses our interest in scripture to his advantage. When we get our eyes off of Christ, we quickly get on the wrong path, even if it is following after a scripture portion. I wonder why there is such a fixation on things in the future when we don't even have things in the present right with God. Perhaps it is because we DON'T WANT to look at what's going on in our hearts right now. Like that bottle of whiskey - a shot of "end-times" speculation gives us a sense of escape and adventure. Or maybe there is a desire to feel like we are in control. After all, we want to be prepared, don't we. Probably though, you are right: Fear is a powerful motivating factor.If the giants, like David W. can falter - who are any of us to think that we are beyond deception. I guess our failures can keep us close to God, and keep us from going too far on tangents. I think Ironman is right: we must get ready for tough times. I also feel that our preparation involves getting our hearts and lives purified and Christ-centered. If that is not happening, we will easily be fooled by Satan. Scripture clearly tells us to keep our focus on Christ. That is the safest, and best way to gain the understanding that we need - revealed by his Spirit.Diane

but they do not add to these missions speculations about things they really can't be sure ofThere it is in a nutshell. Maybe there are many things we can be convinced of, but surety... That is the danger that makes these types of 'prophecies', when they are couched that way just that, dangerous. Add a "Thus sayeth the Lord" ...Think you are dead on MC.Just as well concur with;I wonder why there is such a fixation on things in the future when we don't even have things in the present right with God. Perhaps it is because we DON'T WANT to look at what's going on in our hearts right now.Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. Out of all the parables towards this end the tense from our Lord was to watch and be ready. To be found faithful. If this isn't our condition now, the "if's" and "when's" will be met with a far more devastating effect.Another related posting on this here:FDA approves computer chip implants for humans

Sorry guys, but when you give eschatology less focus than the N.T. does, then that is just as self-righteous, pious or half-sighted as you've accused others of being.MeAgain! :-) Just to be clear about the particular point I was trying to convey...my concern isn't over eschatology Let's look for the season of His coming!And I am not opposed to a lively conversation about microchips and how they might relate to the mark of the beast over a cup of coffee.My point was simply to ask those who desire to speak as a prophet to exercise more discipline...they are not as free to speculate as the others. They may have private fears and speculations...but publicly perhaps they censor themselves.I know it may seem a contradiction...but perhaps a prophet isn't defined only by what he says..but also by the things be does not bother to talk about. Afterall, if a prophet can not talk about the heart of the matter then who will? Are microchips and the value of the American dollar the heart of the matter?The reason I offered my critique, with some apprehension I assure you, is that people like me take the words of prophetic minded people to heart. (I can think of no greater respect given.) I say this lamentably because, in my experience, I have read too many "prophetic" predictions of worry that never came to pass. Only then do I recognize the source of those words...from a fearful heart like my own. Yet I do not call my self a prophet. However I am a father in my household. I do not daily talk to the children about the things that daddy fears about. "Children we may be homeless tomorrow if I don't recieve a phone call from that client today." or "Wife, I read that the price of oil is rising. I think we shall starve this winter."Yes, it looks like we are in for some harsh times in the future. In those times, we will need confident leadership...not fretful speculators. So, to be sure...I am not being mocking or disrespectful. I am asking people who speak for the Lord to say only what they are absolutely sure of from the Lord and His word. It is my concern that they might be exceeding this simple boundary. As we know, forum posts convey neither body language nor tone...so only the worst 10% of my intention may be coming through here. So please see me not as a mocker pointing his finger. (I've never used the term "false" or implied that we should "expose" anyone or the like. We are family here and I am just a brother, not a parent.) MY body language is as a brother coming to the family speaking in sanguine tone with deep respect for the man or woman who desires to prophecy. "Please learn to tell the difference between what is growing in your heart through fear or anger and what is placed there through the Lord. Build up our faith. The Body needs faith in this hour. Repent we must...but everything by faith in the soverign Lord."Blessings all,MC

bro mikeI'm probably asking for a good cuffing here, but I really think there is too much speculation among our prophets. The very voices that are telling us to be separate from the world seem to feel authorized to mix scripture with daily headlines that range from unsubstantiated short-wave broadcasts to amateur blog-sites. In addition to being spiritual leaders many prophets today also appear as qualified experts on economics, technology and military movements.i agree with you in that there is indeed much speculation going on among today's prophets which leads to the spouting out of things which are not of God. that being said the Lord is indeed speaking to some concerning what is going on now as it pertains to what the future holds and we have to take the time out to sift the wheat from the tares and i think we aren't as dilligent about that as we like to think. ..and I believe it's weakening the better mission of a prophet which is to direct eyes upward, the visibility of Jesus and the Father...not secret insight into geo-politics of other nations or into our storage freezers.the role of the prophet is largely misunderstood and limited to the predicting of the future. while there is some truth in this, the prophet is the revelation to men of the heart of God, the very feelings of God toward us and sometimes that does involve the prediction or should i say the telling of what the future will be (prediction seems to imply guessing to me) if the Lord decides to teach geopolitics to one of His prophets or to reveal to him on the geoplitical level what God is doing what is it to us? During the Revolutionary War it is recorded that members of the church thought King George was the anti-Christ. And we all know that people thought Hitler was the end. But hindsight is 20/20 and our current prophets know better.you know i've heard people say that everyone and their mama is the the antichrist. i think people get irresponsible in leaving out certain things about him, such as him presiding over a one world government, brokering a peace deal with israel for 7 yrs, don't remember hitler, stalin or kissinger doing any of this. We know they may very well be a nuclear war or financial crash in future human history. I was learning about these things from unregenerate professors in college. See the movie Koyannistatsi or read the book "Entropy:the greenhouse Effect."...are these men also prophets?well bro mike, it's not a matter is "may well be" but a matter of when. and your statement about learning such things from unregenerate professors in college and asking if they were prophets seems more an excuse to not take heed and see that perhaps there is something going on here. if the so called "experts" whose opinions we so value (sometimes more than God's if we may be honest here) say that there is coming a terrible economic collapse and war shortly thereafter, and the prophets of the Lord are saying similar things should we not therefore take heed and seek the Lord on it rather than just brush it off?Forgive my bluntness but I think the prophet does not speculate about such things. The examples of Jeremiah, Amos and others not withstanding, the prophet may indeed warn the people about the holiness of God and agains t the injustice of a society, but they do not add to these missions speculations about things they really can't be sure of. Instead stick to the spiritual realities behind the movements of earthly kingdoms...don't try to speculate about Iran and such. In all likehood you will be wrong, or mostly wrong and your testimony as a prophet for Christ will be tainted.i agree the prophet doesn't speculate about such things but if the Lord reveals it to him they we best take heed. we have the example of Jeremiah and Amos as you said who were well aware of the geoplitics of the day and so to me it seems the Lord will raise up prophets who have the same mantle with a knowledge also of today's geopolitics. amid all the hubbub we have to sift through it all and see what is of the Lord and what isn't and hold fast to what is God's and discard what's not and that's a lot harder than tossing it all out window...bro mike the Lord's been showing me of what is to come. i didn't ask for it or want it at all. in fact when i got saved i was content to be a regular Christian but God has other plans. i didn't go to Him and say "Lord please use me for this thing or that thing" in fact i didn't want any of the drama that comes with all this at all so when the Lord started showing me these things i was like "you have the wrong guy Lord" i'm not interested in geopolitics or policy or any of this other mess but the Lord is steady showing me how it fits into what He's doing to restore His Church. the Lord has shown me things by vision and other means in the Spirit of Iran, this nation, Israel and so on and i thought i was losing my mind. since then the Lord has been breaking it down in terms i can grasp and relating it all to what's going on in the world today and as i said earlier, the article billy7 posted which i pasted here only served to confirm the truth of what the Lord already showed me instead of showing i was being led astray. i guess i'm not as crazy as i thought as much as i would like to think i am. i've asked the Lord on many occasions "why do i need to know this and why have you called me to this work coz i don't want it" the response always speaks of the Lord's sovereignty in whom He'll call to what work. as with all things, let us take them before the Lord and have Him try them for us, let us be very diligent in this brethren because i fear we dismiss and permit too much based more on what we feel than what the Lord says.

sis dianeI wonder why there is such a fixation on things in the future when we don't even have things in the present right with God. Perhaps it is because we DON'T WANT to look at what's going on in our hearts right now. Like that bottle of whiskey - a shot of "end-times" speculation gives us a sense of escape and adventure.now you know how i feel about this issue! we spend a lot of time straining at gnats and instead we swallow camels, or perhaps we strain at gnats so WE CAN swallow our camels...in all things we need to seek the Lord and especially concering our own hearts. if we spent as much time with the Lord and let Him denounce the sins we're guilty of as we do denouncing the sins of others, we'd not be in a situation where we're seen to be hypocrites. We have to have a balance and that balance is dictated by God Himself which means we have to follow the leadings of the Spirit of God. like you said part of the preparation for what is coming is a concercration of our very beings to Christ, a purification of our filthy hearts, a confrontation with the sins and demons we harbour within that impede our witness and indeed our walk with God.Lord be our courage and wisdom in this time that we may be concecrated to you in these days. AMEN.

bro mikeSo, to be sure...I am not being mocking or disrespectful. I am asking people who speak for the Lord to say only what they are absolutely sure of from the Lord and His word. It is my concern that they might be exceeding this simple boundary.i feel you there and agree totally. those called to the prophetic work and saying "Thus sayeth the Lord" need to say just what the Lord told them to say no matter how outlandish or far-fetched it may seem.