Dinosaurs & the book of Genesis

Any thoughts where they might fit in?some in- sight most dino's stood up,unlike reptiles today,in some way they drag there bodies on the Earth.some say there is a gap theory?but does it hold water.

Dino's were created with all other animals during the first six days. This is clearly stated in the 10 Commandments:Exo 20:11 'For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is'The Gap Theory only holds water if you don't believe the whole Bible is inspired. If all the Bible is true, the Gap Theory doesn't fit in. I would recommend Kent Hovind's video from this site on the Garden of Eden. He goes into great detail with the Gap Theory, Day Age, different versions of Genesis, etc:https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=4541&commentView=itemCommentsAlso, his third video is dedicated to Dino's and the Bible.Enjoy your study!

what I find interesting in gen ch3 ver14.you get the idea that the serpent stood up, before God cursed the serpent on his belly to eat dust.could this be the dino's? just a thought.

take a look at this Greenquality in Job 40:15-24Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares. This Behemoth is BIG, really Big, most Bible commmentaries will say it's a Hippo or an elephant but look at verse 17: He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. now forgive me if I'm wrong but i always thought cedar trees were Big trees, now think of what a hippo's or elephants tail looks like not very big hey?Also, and this i think is really interesting, where do dragon legends come from???? I mean what is a dragon but a massive reptilian creature, just some things to think on, look here too:Dinosaur Questions and Answersmatt

I think in job it is discribing a salt water crock or gator.but I make a interesting point,by saying the serpent at one time must have stood up.in the time frame, of adam and eve's down fall or sin ,thus the serpent being cursed by God to crawl on it's belly!before being cursed it must have stood up to get around.

I have read some of the thoughts or ideas about how dino's came about or have died.but i think it's funny that dino's came on the noah ark! You see the serpent is a reptile..right! dino's are reptiles...right! well could this explain what had happend to them as a whole.or does it sound to simple! i think it should be given some thought!

I have studied this subject and if you ever decide to look up the phrase living fossil, it brings up alot of interesting results. It seems that scientist go into parts of the world that are not discovered such as indonesia or places such as this. The biggest example is a fish called something like the colacith which they thought had died along time ago and they found it in the indian ocean. Science is the art of measurement, if they have not discovered it yet, they cannot say anything. giant squids have been playing in the ocean for centuries until they recently discovered them.Personally the bible is the most accurate book around. There is another story about a creature called the ocampi. they thought it was extinct it happend to show up.God knows more than scientists

Hi Greenquality, I think I can share some things on this subject that might be helpfull. I have read some of the thoughts or ideas about how dino's came about or have died.but i think it's funny that dino's came on the noah ark!At first it may seem a bit outrageous to imagine Dinosaurs on Noah's Ark but this probably has more to do with our asumptions than reason. Here's why:Firstly, if we imagine full grown dinosaurs being herded onto the typical boat style 'ark' that we often see in illustrations than yes, that would be absurd. However the Bible describes the Ark as being about 450 feet long and 75 feet wide! According to the folks at Answersingenesis it was the equivalent volume of 522 railroad livestock cars! But still, if these were full grown, adult dinosaurs, even that wouldn't be big enough right?Now I don't think Scripture says specifically but it does hint at the answer to this problem. The purpose of bringing the animals on the Ark was to preserve life and to repopulate itwith them. So what would make more sense, to take old grandfather and grandmother dinosaurs or take young ones, full of life and vigor. I think young ones don't you? It is my understanding that juvenile dinosaurs could have been much much smaller than the adult ones this owing to the fact they would continue to grow all thier lives. I am not certain that is exactly the case though.I saw a video by Dr. Gary Parker of AIG and in ithe had a little toy T-rex that fit on his shoulder. He was making the point that it was about the same size as the baby T-rex would have been! Imagine that. It makes sense as I don't think dinosaurs laid 2000 pound eggs? I heard ocnce they could be as small as a football. So there you have it. They(AIG)also think the average size of an anmial on the ark was smaller than a sheep. As far as the origin of dinosaurs, I would have to say the land based ones were created on Day 6 along with the other 'beasts'. We shouldn't expect to find the word dinosaur in most of our Bible translations as it is a 'modern' word.I hope this helps you and others who might have similar questions. I highly recommend www.answersingenesis.org for this topic. In His service,Christopher

Hello;I am unsure as to how to address this forum so will just jump in. (this is the first time "talking" on-line)Dino's certainly are an interesting topic...the explanation of "baby" dinosoars being brought on the ark seems to make some sense...and would lend itself to the consequential extinction of dino's afterwards...with only two of every type and them being young they could easily have fallen prey to a meat eater of one kind or another after debarking from the ark.the question is but a tip of a mountain of questions that come from any thought given to the "6" day creation model. growing up a son of a biologist (christian and creation believing) i was privy to many debates of creationists and evolutionists...all very interesting and it did nothing but make me wonder all the more at the "GREATNESS" of God.growing up in sunday school and "learning" well I like most evangelical christians was taught the 6 day approach to creation...with the mindset that adam and eve almost immediately betraying their "Father" by succumbing to the Devils temptation to eat the forbidden fruit. After many years of contemplating and reading many different authors on the subject I have come up with one of my own...which could in fact help with the Dino question and many others.If you read Deryk Prince's book "War in Heaven" you will gain his understanding of a so called "gap" theory. Where between Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 1:2 there was a period that contained a creations of Gods that pre-dated men...he assumes based on solid biblical interpretation that as God comes on the scene in verse 2 to bring life from the waters that was "void" after the judgment which put the earth in this state of devestation...he spends chapters on explaining...no time to go further into it but think about it....God has always been...to think He has done nothing until He created man is rather arrogant.Now as ChrisJD brought up the 6th day of creation; I ASK A QUESTION TO ANY WITH INSIGHT ON THIS SUBJECT. On the 6th day God created all the animals of the field and sky...then created Adam and on this "same day" adam was told to name the animals. Now think...Adam having just opened his eyes and looked into those of his father God would KNOW love and would not be in a hurry to blow through the animals God had made for him. So you would surmise that Adam would spend considerable "time" enjoying the humor and love God put into all the creatures...(think of the Giraffe, the skunk, the elephant..etc..etc) MY QUESTION IS: How could Adam have named all (read thousands) of animals on the sixth day...THEN- God put him to sleep took a rib and made EVE. All on the sixth day?Next we come to an issue of rebellion and fruitfullness. Gods big directive was to be fruitful and multiply...so if even 1 year passed between God having made adam and eve and them having rebelled and ate the fruit...they must have had a baby. My belief is there was a huge amount of "time" and that Adam and Eve had many children. When you look at the cain and abel of genesis the bible does not say as is custom and eve had cain the first born etc. Because he was not the first born. Also when cain was sent away he was sent to a city? how can you have a city with no other people around. Also as the bible says the fallen angels came down and "knew" the beuatiful daughters of men. This is a huge can I am trying to open...and there is much that needs to get detailed. If followed throught it does nothing but show the "bigness" and abundant Grace of God.any comments?sorry so long.

Greetings TS,Thanks for joining in here at SI! MY QUESTION IS: How could Adam have named all (read thousands) of animals on the sixth day...? I've always thought the concept of "kinds" answered this problem sufficiently. By kinds, I mean the creationist's counterpart to what the evolutionist's taxa, or clade. So instead of a 20 species of foxes, 50 types of wolves, and 200 species of dogs, (I made those numbers up) there would be one wolf-like common ancestor that would contain enough genetic dept to variate into a myriad of interbreed able species. I like the humorous reasoning ken Ham uses to support this idea of micro-evolution for young earth creationists: He suggests that a poodle can not possibly been an original created animal...by looking at a poodle one can easily imagine that such a ridiculous looking animal is a puny genetic shadow of former purebred ancestor.So, when "reverse-straining" tens of thousands of derivative species backwards into hundreds of original "kinds," the task of naming them would be relatively easier...and considering that Adam may have surpassed our current standards for human genius give credence to the idea of such a formidable intellectual feat being accomplished in a day. Just as a poodle is a shadow of a superior dog kind, it would be reasonable to conclude that we modern men are mere shadows of a superior physical, and intellectual man-kind named Adam. (Morally, we appear to be spitting images...) Contrary to Darwinian Macroevolution, creationist microevolution doesn't support the idea of a species improving on their own...and we modern men may not realize how intellectually capable our earliest ancestors really were.Again, it is great to make your acquaintance here at SI.MC

Hi TS, I'd like to address some things that you brought up in your post. You're right about this topic being filled with all sorts of questions.If you read Deryk Prince's book "War in Heaven" you will gain his understanding of a so called "gap" theory. Where between Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 1:2 there was a period that contained a creations of Gods that pre-dated men (I had an incomplete qoute from your post that might have been confusing re-did it)I don't think I can respond right now to everything but I wanted to share with you some of the reasons I am convinced the Scriptures teach a literal 6day creation with no gap. I'll try to come back and check the topic in case you'd like to share more. So here's a few things:There is a particular phrase that is repeated in the opening of Genesis 'and the evening and the morning' were the first, or second day, and so on.As I understand it, this phrase is a special Hebrew gramatical construction which (always?) conveys the idea of a 24 hour day. I think it is found elsewhere, for instance in connection with the sacrifices of the Mosaic Law, though I'm not sure. So I think this strongly suggests that God is conveying to us 6 24 hour days(note also that the Jews to this day mark days from sundown to sundown). And in connection with this you have the very clear refrence to this in regards to the sabbath law(see Exodus 20:11). It would certainly be strange for Moses to make this refrence if the days in Genesis 1 were anything other than 24hours.Here's something else that I think speakes directly to the issue the gap or 6 consecutive days. It is the words of Christ in Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.This(and the following verses) it seems is a direct refrence Genesis 1 and actually connects a verse from Genesis 2 tying them both together(which indicates that they are not seperate accounts as some have proposed). So here it sems that Christ our Creator is connecting the creation of man and woman with the beginning of Creation. I think it would be somewhat misleading to do this if there was a long, undifined period of time between the beginning, and the creation of man and woman.Also, it is my understanding that there were words available to Moses to convey the idea of long ages if that is what God had intended to convey. I realise that this may bring up lots of other questions like some that you mentioned, for instance the naming of the animals, but I hope you'll agree that if the Bible teaches 6 consecutive literal days of creation, then we'll just have to rest assured that there are answers to those other questions. Though you and I may not find them all out in our time here on earth.I hope this will be helpfull.Christopher

OK I have an idea of the gap theory,and also the so called 1st earth age.with in the six days to the gap theory.It has been said (one day with the lord) is like onto a 1000yr, i think it's in 2 peter.but I would like to point out sticking to the six day (creation) about dino's that everbody keep skiping my (???) is the fact that the serpent or reptile in the garden of eden,is pictured in words to have been up right in stance or tall,(((could this be the event to explain what happend to the gaint reptiles,in the garden of eden)))), cursed down to the ground????? it sounds to simple to over look!!!!!! instead of coming up with crazy Idea's about taking this gaint reptile on the boat with noah or getting into the gap theory,to complex to explain,

ChrisJD's As I understand it, this phrase is a special Hebrew gramatical construction which (always?) conveys the idea of a 24 hour day. I think it is found elsewhere, for instance in connection with the sacrifices of the Mosaic Law, though I'm not sure. So I think this strongly suggests that God is conveying to us 6 24 hour days(note also that the Jews to this day mark days from sundown to sundown)I think the references you have in mind are: Gen 1:5,8,13,19,23,31; Ex 27:21; Lev 24:3 and in particular the latter two...Ex. 27:21 In the tabernacle of the congregation without the vail, which is before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall order it from evening to morning before the Lord: it shall be a statute for ever unto their generations on the behalf of the children of Israel. Lev. 24:3 Without the vail of the testimony, in the tabernacle of the congregation, shall Aaron order it from the evening unto the morning before the Lord continually: it shall be a statute for ever in your generations. The context of these latter two verses makes it very clear that here the phrase simply means 'overnight'. (a 12 hour-ish period, depending on the time of the year) The Exodus/Leviticus phrase "from A to B" is very different to the Genesis phrase of "A and B." I don't think we can use the Exodus/Leviticus readings to interpret the Genesis quotations.And in connection with this you have the very clear refrence to this in regards to the sabbath law(see Exodus 20:11). It would certainly be strange for Moses to make this refrence if the days in Genesis 1 were anything other than 24hours.Why? In the very first uses of the word 'day' in scripture we have two quite different meanings to the word Gen. 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. In fact in algebraic termsthe first 'day' = 'a day' + 'a night'. So in the very first instance we see that 'day' can be used to describe different quantities of time.This double meaning of the word day continues into the narrative“And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.” (Gen 1:16,18-19 KJVS)In the second chapter we have “These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” (Gen 2:4-8 KJVS) This 'day' has several 'parts' to it identified by the word 'and'. But the events captured in 'the day' here in Gen 2 are actually recorded as have taken 'days 1-4', so it is clear that by the time we arrive at Genesis 2 we have the word 'day' used in three quite different senses. In the space of a page and a half we have a day = a 12 hour-ish period of lighta day = a 24 period, ruled over by the sun and the moona day = a 4 'day' period in which the foundations of the earth were established....and lastly when did the 'events' of... “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” (Gen 1:1-2 KJVS) ...take place? Is this a title to the whole section or part of the events of 'Day One'?

Here's a link to a page on the Answers in Genesis web site that deals with several different creation compromises. If you scroll down the page you will find a section titled "gap theory" with several articles on the topic.Creation Compromises / Gap TheoryIn Christ,Ron

The event ,to explain! what happend to the serpent in the garden of eden.we all know that the serpent is satan,which took form of a reptile which i think is the giantReptiles or (dino's) that was cursed above every beast of the field, and cursed upon thy belly. ((or brought down to size ))give it some thought

bro TSMY QUESTION IS: How could Adam have named all (read thousands) of animals on the sixth day...THEN- God put him to sleep took a rib and made EVE. All on the sixth day?what could have kept adam from naming every animal in one day? nothing as far as i'm concerned. if the Lord made all the animals and birds in one day and He asked Adam to name them ALL, then the Lord made it so that Adam could name them and name them he did. our bodies are hindered today in many ways because we are in a fallen state, Adam wasn't therefore he named every animal, whether each taxa had 1 or 1000 species. end of story. then God went about the task (after Adam was done with the naming) and of making eve. that's what the word says and that's good enough for me.

Hello...I have this silly little theory that questions whether or not dinosaurs was the "serpent" as mentioned in the book of Genesis. Remember, the serpent -- before he was cursed by God -- was a "beast of the field." When God cursed him, the serpent was forced to crawl upon his belly. What would a serpent be that did not crawl upon its belly? A dragon? What is a dragon? It reminds me of a dinosaur quite a bit. And what is Satan known as in the book of Revelation?"And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years..." - Revelation 20:2Is it possible that dinosaurs are simply the pre-cursed Serpent (or Dragon) from Genesis? I haven't really heard anyone ever teach about this -- but it could explain how the dinosaur suddenly disappeared (instead of blaming it on a giant asteroid hitting the Yucatan in Mexico). The flood could have served to fossilize the bones of the remaining dinosaurs. Remember, fossilization is not a sign of death -- it is the sign of disaster. If a person (or any other living thing) were to walk outside and fall over dead, their bones would not fossilize. Fossilization is the result of either extreme conditions (great amounts of pressure) or chance (falling into tar, etc...). Anyway, it is something to think about. :-)

There is some very interesting stuff on the Reasons to Believe website, for folks who are prepared to keep thinking about this topic. If you have already made your mind up that people who are unconvinced about 6x24 hour days are heretics, then this site is not worth visiting. If you are not afraid to think outside of the boxes, it may challenge you.I don't endorse it, but I think the folk who run it are 'family'.

Hey Greenquality,Sorry we've all wandered off your original question, I apologise for being one of the early decenters but i would like to address your question about whether the Serpant which was in the Garden was actually a dinosaur.You bring to the fore an interesting idea that the Seprent in the garden wasn't a 'snake with legs' but actually a much larger creature.I noticed when reading over the passage in Gen 3 that the serpent is classed in the beasts of the field section of God's creation and now in with the creeping things, which I'd classify a snake with legs as.The problem with the idea is that there was more than one 'kind' of dinosaur ranging from the massive sauropods to much smaller, chicken size dinosaurs. So why would God curse the Sauropods if the serpent was say a theropod (like T.Rex) or a ceratopsian (like Triceratops) do you see?Nevertheless again the forums on SI throw up an new viewpoint on how to look at the Word of God, Thanks GreenqualityGod bless matt