Eve's transgression means... what exactly?

The passage does indeed seem to suggest that women are more susceptible to spiritual deception than men are. Of course there have been plenty of men who have been deceived also but that is what it suggests, I'm not sure how you could read it any other way? Saying women are "singled out" here seems to suggest some unfair treatment. I think Paul is just using reason based on what happened in the garden. I think women are just more spiritually sensistive, whether it be for good or evil.In Christ,Ron

Genesis 3:3-6 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.Eve knew what God had said, but she most likely did not understand. She had not seen anyone die and probably did not know what to expect. She new what was good for food, she knew it was pretty, and because of evil input she believed it would make her wise or just like God, the serpent was the only other Person she had to go on in her choice to eat. Satan was the only other being except God and Adam that had conversed with her. She was in innocence and did not even know that evil existed, except that was the name of the tree. I think what Paul is trying to say in Timothy, if Eve would have come to Adam or God and ask if what the serpent was saying is true, she would not have been in transgression. If Adam did not know the answer who was the only one that he could go to? It would be God and He surely would have given them the answer. Eve was deceived and she did eat. Don't get me wrong Adam could have done no better and he could have changed the whole outcome if he would have told Eve when she offered him the fruit, that we must go to God and ask Him what we should. He did not, he ate also.I think Paul is only giving God credit for what He set up in the Garden. Who did He tell not to eat of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil? It was Adam not Eve. Genesis 2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.Then God made Woman from Man. Eve knew about the tree and dying, it must have been Adam who told her or God Himself. She was already Adams wife at the time of the decision to eat they both made. If we look at who God has dealt with in His Plan for His House, it was not the first Eve and the Last Eve, it was the first Adam and the Last Adam. 1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. 1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. If God has made it so then He will deal with Man first then Woman when it comes to creation. Adam is separated from soul and became death dealing spirit by the acquisition of the spirit of Satan as his spirit and everything went to pot. Eve was dragged along because of her transgression, they became of their father whom they chose to believe the devil who was the spirit of man. Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. What was the First death Adam and Eve experienced, one of their own son's. I believe Paul is trying to put man and woman back in the perfection that God intended for them both. Adam the head as husband, The wife Eve the only one that could bring forth Life from Adam. Those lives dedicated to God for His House that He might have children in His house. Now that Christ has brought the saved Adam and Eve back into His house, man and woman whom we are as son's and daughters, He speaks loudly, Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Col 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. This was God's Plan always. Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. 1Th 3:12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all [men], even as we [do] toward you: Jhn 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.May man and woman come to this precious truth and may husband and wife be as God intends them to be for the Glory of God.In Christ: Phillip

f Adam had already sinned by not intervening, why is Eve singled out here?Eve is singled out here not to degrade her but to show that she fell into transgression through deception. Adam was not decieved. Adam made a choice.Adam's weakness was not Satan's deception, it was his wife. And thus it has been ever since. For instance, what has been the downfall of most believers, in the Old testament and New? Who was it that said to Job, "Why don't you curse God and die?" What caused David to fall? It was a woman. And it is a repeated thing. Men idolize women. Men allow themseleves to be manipulated by women. Men are carried away by women. Let a beautiful woman walk in among a bunch of scientist and engineers and immediatly you will see them all begin to act like fools.In Romans 5 it does not say, By one woman, sin entered into the world and death by sin" It says, "by one man sin entered into the world and death by sin. Here Paul singles out the man, not the woman.Not only that but the promise of redemption was given to the Woman in Genesis 3. That is "the Seed of the woman would bruise Satan's head.No particular gender is being picked on. Rather the truth and reality of things are presented clearly. While not a rule, woman are more governed by their feelings and men are more governed by their intellect. It does not mean men are smarter. It just means they are governed by what they think and woman by what they feel. A woman may be more intellegent than a man, yet she does not live by the logic of her keen mind, rather she will act according to her feeling. And God designed them this way. A mother needs strong feeling. A Father needs a clear head. They compliment one another.And the Bible does not elevate intellect above emotion (men often do). Both are aspects of the soul. The Scriptures elevate the spirit above the intellect, the will, and the emotions.A person dominated by his intellect is just as soulish as a person dominated by his feelings. God is not after soulish people, He is after spiritual people who are goverened neither by their mind, their will, or their emotions, but rather are governed by the Life of God in their spirit.Graftedbranch

Annie wrote:""Hi Philip, your post wasn't there when I started my pokey post.My only other thought on this was that women being under men's authority and protection, is symbolic of Christ and His Bride. Eph. 5 "She" doesn't boss Him around.The 'symbolism' when worked out is a beautiful thing.""We had a sermon this morning about the precious corner stone. That Stone is the first laid when building a new building or a new Temple which He said He would rebuild in three days. Of course the old temple curtain to the Holies of Holies was torn from top to bottom. He did rebuild the new temple and He is the first born among many that inhabit it, for we are the temple and He being our God Born Again in it, that is us, is the Bold Access to the Father. When I walked In my R.V. The Holy Spirit said, I did not mention the Bride of Christ in my last Post. When I read your post I see that God had already taken care of it. You are so right, she doesn't boss him aroung and he doesn't boss her around but in loving care for her leads her, not by a leash but hand in hand and always giving himself for her. Her submission will be just like Mary at the Feet of Jesus, willing and wanting to follow her Savior because she is His Bride, which Mary already was, The Bride of Christ as we all the Born Again are, and it will be consummated at the wedding feast of the Lamb. Praise God He is my Husband too. In the brides submission to Christ, He has already, and is doing and will be doing the perfect best for His Bride. Oh, that we might See each other this way, Christ in me and Christ in you. 1Th 3:12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all [men], even as we [do] toward you: Jhn 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.I am divorced right now, but I have only one mind when it comes to my X wife. That she might know that Christ is my all and if God permits remarriage for us, that she would be able to see what He has done in me. In Christ: Phillip

1Ti 2:14Was not deceived; by the serpent in the first transgression. The serpent first assailed the woman, as being most open to his arts, and having deceived her, he made use of her to persuade her husband. Compare the words of the woman, "The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat;" and the words of God to the man, "Because thou hast hearkened to the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten," Ge 3:13,17. The headship was given to the man, not to the woman.In the old testament the headship was most definitely the mans. Even though they did it completely wrong. As they did it completely wrong, Jesus Himself said, it was not so from the beginning. Mark 10:6-8 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. If husband are one flesh and one Spirit in the Lord, with Christ in them, Christ in Her and Christ in Him, then the only thing that is not one is the Mind. This is where the war is, not only with man and woman, but mankind and Christ.Now, if we have the mind of Christ, what has to be accomplished for us to be one with Christ, answer, renew the mind. Renew the mind to what? That Christ is our life, our mind, our righteousness, our wisdom, our sanctification, our redemption, our all. So if man and woman are in Christ, where is the headship? Is the man head over the woman? Only if the man and woman are not in Christ. In Christ husband is to love his wife as Christ loves His bride and gave Himself for Her. In Christ the wife is to honor her husband as she honors Christ who gave Himself for Her. In Christ the woman and man are one in Flesh, husband and wife, one in Spirit, in Christ, and becoming one in soul, the mind of Christ. Why do we submit to Christ? He first loved us and gave himself for us. Why does a woman submit to her husband? The husband in Christ learning Christ and learning to love his wife as Christ loves His Bride, the wife loves and submits to the Christ in her husband and the husband loves the Christ that is in his wife and submits also. Ephesians 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. There are no wanta bees in Christ. There are only Be-er's. There is only headship by be-ing. There cannot be headship without being servant of all. Mark 10:44-45 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.In Christ: Phillip

You are so right, she doesn't boss him aroung and he doesn't boss her around but in loving care for her leads her, not by a leash but hand in hand and always giving himself for her. Her submission will be just like Mary at the Feet of Jesus, willing and wanting to follow her Savior because she is His Bride, which Mary already was, The Bride of Christ as we all the Born Again are, and it will be consummated at the wedding feast of the Lamb. Praise God He is my Husband too.THe difficulty is, no matter how much we say this, practically speaking, in a husband/wife relationship, even one in which Christ is Lord of both, there inevitably comes because of different dispositions, a place where the husband may see something and the wife does not or vise/versa. There is a time when a decision must be made when both do not agree though in attitude they both say they want the Lord's will, but what that will is, they don't see eye to eye.This may be because of differences in spiritual growth, disposition, or whatever. But in the end, no matter what you say is "mutual submission" or whatever, a decision must be made on which both do not have one mind.What do you do? You both call on the Lord but there is still no agreement.The Husband says, "I belive this is the sense I have of the Lord," The Wife says, "I don't see that, I thin, this or feel this or "I just don't see that the same way you do"?And the Lord HImself allows this. He does not seem to be interested in brining both to the same opinion. What is He after?.The Husband must act according to his leading. And the wife must be subject and say, "Lord, I don't see it but I accept it because the husband is the head of the wife." And even if she is right, she must yeild.Sorry sisters, but this is the Word of God, and sorry brothers, but you must answer to the Lord.But the real answer is the Cross. God's answer in any situation is the termination of both parties and the establishing of Christ as Head.But in God's order, the husband is indeed the head of the wife and both are subject to Christ. And the Wife should yeild and be subject not in a slavish way, but as unto the Lord.The cross means that we do not insist even if we believe we are right. We take God's order and God's way and take the Lord as Grace even if we feel we are right."Wives, be subject unto your own husbands, even to them that are disobedient to the word that they may be won without a word by your chaste and respectful behaviour.Hard words for our age but this is God's way.Graftedbranch