did you know that you can prove the existance of GOD?

will be adding more in the future as the Lord provides. So please stay posted. There was also a change in the latter post about the prophesy part. Please take note.This is a good evangelical tool that God gave me one day. I call it the Hiccup because its hard to digest. HistoryCreationConscienceProphesy1. History-- this step is most appealing to our histroy and skeptical friends. You can go to Christiananswers.net and find any archeological or historical story which proves the authenticity of the bible. I personally picked the site of Sodom and Gammorah.2. Creation- You can debate on this subject all day. You can go to the site above or DrDino.com or answersingenesis.org to find some very good resources. I use the method that's in the evidence bible to ask evolutionists'.Here are a few: 1. Where did the space for the universe come from? 2. Where did matter come from? 3. Where did the laws of the universe comefrom (gravity, inertia, etc.)?4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.) 11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor? 12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true? 13. When, where, why, and how did: a) Single-celled plants become multicelled? (Where are the two- and threecelled intermediates?) b) Single-celled animals evolve? c) Fish change to amphibians? d) Amphibians change to reptiles? e) Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live? 14. When, where, why, how, and from what did: a) Whales evolve? b) Sea horses evolve? c) Bats evolve? d) Eyes evolve? e) Ears evolve? f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve? 15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)? a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)? b) The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? c) The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs? d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts? e) The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose? f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants? g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones? h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system? i) The immune system or the need for it? 3. Conscience- You can you use the wayofthemaster method or you can use what God gave me in relation to it. All you have to do is ask them if lying is wrong? If they have a conscience they'll say yes. Sometimes you have to get answers out of them but the important thing is to show them that by they're conscience, they say that these things are wrong not the bible. Then ask them is stealing is wrong? how about rape? murder? adultery? If they say yes, then you tell them that by their conscience they say these things are wrong. They will nod in agreement. Then you point out that isn't it funny that your concscience is in direct alignment with the Ten Commandments, the things God says are wrong! Tell them that this is because the bible says we were created in his image. We are moral, God is Moral. We expect justice, God will get Justice. This is an awesome method that God has shown me and too often i saw the peoples eyes light with the revelation of GOD. This is by far my most favorite method of the hiccup process.4. Prophecy- this is the easiest and most effective step to remember. 3800+ prophecies in the bible. Every one has been fufilled to date. 350+ prophecies talk about Jesus's birht, life, death, and resurrection way before he was born. Every one of them was fufilled. No sacred writing in the world has come close to that amount of accuracy. Not the KORAN, not the buddist bible, not any occult in the world. God gave prophecy to prove his purpose! Mathmaticians say to get 8 prophecies right would be 1 IN 100,000,000,000,000,000. THIS IS A REAL NUMBER! It's pronounced one hundred million billion. Jesus fulfilled 350+,and there are prophecies being fulfilled to this day. Glory to God.I can explain more to this method but i guess i would need some questions Plus i'm not very good at typing out my thoughts. and if you want you can add a 5th proof. A personal relationship with the God who created heaven and Earth. To get to know God yourself is an irreplaceable truth! any questions just write me. at warriorofgod82@yahoo.com

have you tried reasoning with them by their conscience?

warriorofgod wrote:have you tried reasoning with them by their conscience?I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that you are one of these three things if not all three:1) Viewer of "Way of the Master"2) Student of the School of Biblical Evangelism3) Listener of Ray Comfort's sermon, "Hell's Best Kept SecretAm I right??In His,DOI Pet 4:2

1 and 3 are correct. But that is not why i asked him that question.

1. Where did the space for the universe come from?2. Where did matter come from?3. Where did the laws of the universe comefrom (gravity, inertia, etc.)?4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?The problem with this argument is that the evolutionist can reply with one question. Where did God come from ?And then you must apply to God all the arguments which he applies to creation. That is he says, it always was. etc.It is difficult to use logic to prove God. God is best revealed by Himself. The best arguement for a scientist or evolutionists is, "If there is a God and he is willing to reveal Himiself to you, would you want it? Then you get down to the real issue. The fact is He does not want to believe in God.And if they say they would, then encourage them to call on the Lord and ask Him to reveal Himself and show him if the Bible is true.Then the Spirit has ground to work in him.The real issue with unbelief is not an inability to believe becasue of lack of evidence, but rather an unwillingness to believe because of the implications.He hides behind his arguments. Yes, we can demolish some of them and that may open him up. But in the end it comes down to God's Self revealtion and the Spirit's work.The person who can best benifit from these points is one whom the Spirit is working on and who genuinly has a desire to know God and belive in God, but his concepts keep him from being able to lay hold on God.Graftedbranch

Graftedb, In the case if they ask where did God come from, then you can ask why is it easier to believe that there was always a piece matter in space the size of a period ready to explode, then a God who was always there who created you to live with him forever? If you get answer, then you have to use the method of conscience bcuz like you said, they just love their sin. (for a lack of better words) Now to me again. If you want to talk to them about their conscience it is basically the same method that Wayofthemaster.com teaches. You simply asked if they ever lied? if they say yes, then you ask what does that make them? They should say a liar. Most people try to lighten the word by saying normal, storyteller, or even sinner. but just tell them that i lied what would you call me? they usually respond with the right answer. Then ask themn if they ever stole anything? if they say yes, then ask them what does that make them? If they admit it, they will say a thief. If they dont admiti it, you can ask them if they ever hated someone before, If they say yes then you can tell them that did you know that when you do that the bible says you commit murder in your heart. Ask them if they ever lusted after someone. If they say yes then tell them did you know that jesus says that anytime you do that you commit adultery in thier heart? After that is all said and done them you can tell them by their OWN CONFESSION that they are lying theiving, adulterous, murderers at heART. ( or whatever crime fits the bill) If you want more on this all you have to do is go to Way of the master.com or Go to Livingwaters.com and listen to "hell's best kept secret". This teaching shows you how you can bring the knowledge of sin and show them there need for a savior. or if you want After friday you'd have to call long distance to london 011-44-7786-331558. Let me know whats up. I can probably explain a little better over the phone since i don't have very good typing ability.

I would suggest not placing your phone number on here. There are many utilities on the Internet that if you have a phone number you can find an address. Anyone with a computer on the Internet has access to this forum.

Thanx parsly

LOL Thanks for the laugh.

Annie,Having ministered to females at a CPC for 15 years, I can tell you that teaching 'love' does not cut it, either...not in the south it doesn't. They have heard it all ther lives and think they are not so bad that God would condemn them to hell because they perceive themselves as basically good people and surely God would NOT send them to hell! Or, if they do know they are going - and they have told me so - they believe they will have lots of friends there and they will have company..During this time, the Holy Spirit impressed on my mind how I needed to emphasize the Holiness of God to my clients. I did and, lady, it was like I was plowing new ground! (And to you city slickers this means the ground was hard and difficult to plow decent!) These people barely understood what this meant! All they have heard is how loving God is...his Holiness was not taught! But my job was to be obedient and let the HS take it from there. My point: to emphasize the love of God apart from his Holiness and wrath is not teaching the complete Gospel message of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Love without wrath is meaningless. ginnyrose

is anyone edified about what i posted. I'm not trying to lift myself up. I just dont want this thread to go on a rabbit trail. I hope that you all will benefit from it. Because Satan has lied to people thinking you can't prove the existance of God.

Warrior,I do not want to blow your bubble, but rabbit trails are common on this site...happens in ordinary conversations, too. What you can do to keep the conversations on tract is to comeback often with questions or comments.Now to answer your question about whether your post was edifying? Yes, to me it is. I would like to copy/paste some it for future reference. OK? Is that good enough? I thank you for posting. This was very interesting and God bless you.ginnyrose

Annie,

They're all sweeties, but their brains are just too big :-? . And that is as big of a problem as trying to get the camel through the eye of the needle with a rich man. This reminds me what Jerry Clower used to say: "they have been educated beyond their intelligence!" I am glad the LORD put it on your heart to pray for these men...Unchristian people who are highly educated have an attitude called arrogance. I know of a well educated man with degrees from Harvard, Princeton, et al who used to say how he was amazed that a person with an eighth grade education who has good comprehension skills will have the same insights to the scriptures as he does with all HIS education! About those girls...I believe this is the downside of Calvinism which teaches once saved always saved and what sins you committed have been forgiven (true if they repented) as well as the future ones not yet committed. I am of the opinion the reason one sees so much immorality in the Bible belt is simply because of this doctrine. People are so religious, but the motivation to repent is missing even though they know what they are doing is wrong but believe God will make an exception in their case! The test of Biblical doctrine is how it works out in shoe leather. If it does not aide in producing holiness, one better take another look at it and see where it is flawed. Now did I not open another can of worms here? Depending who reads it, I did!I am very interested in reading that piece you wrote: sounds very edifying. Mind emailing it to me? or posting it here? If you do please let me know where I can find it.Blessings,ginnyrose

Annie, Please check your (EDIT) account box...I left my email addy there. AND I forgot to tell you I do have Windows XP.Thanks!ginnyrose

This is a good evangelical tool that God gave me one day. I call it the Hiccup because its hard to digest. HistoryCreationConscienceProphesy1. History-- this step is most appealing to our histroy and skeptical friends. You can go to Christiananswers.net and find any archeological or historical story which proves the authenticity of the bible. I personally picked the site of Sodom and Gammorah.2. Creation- You can debate on this subject all day. You can go to the site above or DrDino.com or answersingenesis.org to find some very good resources. I use the method that's in the evidence bible to ask evolutionists'.Here are a few: 1. Where did the space for the universe come from? 2. Where did matter come from? 3. Where did the laws of the universe comefrom (gravity, inertia, etc.)?4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.) 11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor? 12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true? 13. When, where, why, and how did: a) Single-celled plants become multicelled? (Where are the two- and threecelled intermediates?) b) Single-celled animals evolve? c) Fish change to amphibians? d) Amphibians change to reptiles? e) Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live? 14. When, where, why, how, and from what did: a) Whales evolve? b) Sea horses evolve? c) Bats evolve? d) Eyes evolve? e) Ears evolve? f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve? 15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)? a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)? b) The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? c) The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs? d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts? e) The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose? f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants? g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones? h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system? i) The immune system or the need for it? 3. Conscience- You can you use the wayofthemaster method or you can use what God gave me in relation to it. All you have to do is ask them if lying is wrong? If they have a conscience they'll say yes. Sometimes you have to get answers out of them but the important thing is to show them that by they're conscience, they say that these things are wrong not the bible. Then ask them is stealing is wrong? how about rape? murder? adultery? If they say yes, then you tell them that by their conscience they say these things are wrong. They will nod in agreement. Then you point out that isn't it funny that your concscience is in direct alignment with the Ten Commandments, the things God says are wrong! Tell them that this is because the bible says we were created in his image. We are moral, God is Moral. We expect justice, God will get Justice. This is an awesome method that God has shown me and too often i saw the peoples eyes light with the revelation of GOD. This is by far my most favorite method of the hiccup process.4. Prophecy- this is the easiest and most effective step to remember. 3800+ prophecies in the bible. Every one has been fufilled to date. 350+ prophecies talk about Jesus's birht, life, death, and resurrection way before he was born. Every one of them was fufilled. No sacred writing in the world has come close to that amount of accuracy. Not the KORAN, not the buddist bible, not any occult in the world. God gave prophecy to prove his purpose! Mathmaticians say to get 8 prophecies right would be 1 IN 100,000,000,000,000,000. THIS IS A REAL NUMBER! It's pronounced one hundred million billion. Jesus fulfilled 350+,and there are prophecies being fulfilled to this day. Glory to God.I can explain more to this method but i guess i would need some questions Plus i'm not very good at typing out my thoughts. and if you want you can add a 5th proof. A personal relationship with the God who created heaven and Earth. To get to know God yourself is an irreplaceable truth! any questions just write me. at warriorofgod82@yahoo.com