Sin is allowed in heaven.

I already pretty much know the truth on this subject but i just want to see other input.If sin cannot enter heaven than why does Satan go before the throne to accuse the saints? JoB chapter 1 and revelation is my reference.And if we need to be forgiven of our sins or we will spend eternity in hell, than why are children allowed to go to heaven if we are born into sin? The predictable answer is because they don't know the difference between right and wrong. But where does the atonement of sin stand in this situation?

I do not believe we are born guilty. No one goes to hell because of Adam's sin. You go to hell because of your sin. I like what Ravenhill said, "It doesn't matter where you believe the sin came from (you or Adam), you go to hell for not getting rid of it." That might be a paraphrase.

Well, David said that he would go where his child went when he died. So i guess that means children go to heaven. Jesus said, unless you become like a little child you wont enter the kindgom of heavem that would be terribly irnoic if little children went to Hell wouldnt it? By the way i think you are assuming that these is only 1 legal road into heaven. You're wrong. IF a man kept the law perfectly he could enter. Of course no one has but Jesus, but the fact that He did proves it's theoretically possible. So i see no problem with there being one more: Innocence. otherwise your going to have to damn all the retards too.

As far as satan goes:When you say "enter heaven" there are different meanings to this term. I guess you can say he "entered it" in the sense that he went before God to be Judged and report what he was doing and where he was going but by no means was he allowed to enter (indulge in) the pleasures of it. He didnt get to enjoy the scenery or fellowship with Jesus or anything it was just some official business. Much like a criminal goes before a judge to report in on his probation.

Interesting thoughts.I suppose there is more than one possibility. The text says that Satan presented himself before the LORD, not necessarily in heaven. So we, me included, assume this is taking place in heaven. That trail could mean Satan is presenting himself outside Earth's atmosphere, but not in heaven. Somewhere in space, maybe. Or maybe on Earth.Or like sj said. Maybe Satan is the acception as God has decided to use him to lead the lost away that they can be judged, and to strengthen the saints in their fighting with the evil prince. A strong foe makes a strong warrior.A quick reference to the commentaries: Wesley supported the idea that Satan was not literally in heaven. Scofield said they were in heaven. Henry entertained both ideas. Geneva Bible doesn't address the issue. Well, there you have it. Clear as mud?The other issue brings a good point up. And also brings other thoughts in. If children aren't denied heaven, then what stage of maturity starts their judgment. Furthermore, it is better for a child to die early in some cases, than be brought up to reject Christ. Maybe this is God's hand in the death of some children. I'll stir those rattlesnakes up and continue on.I would say that it is not so much Adam's sin that gets us in trouble, but his curse. We don't answer to God for Adam's sin, but yet our own in light of the same curse Adam received. So maybe this stands to reason that it is not so much our conception that damns us, but our way. I don't mean that children are under the blood, necessarily, but maybe God is not angered by the child's mind that has not yet embraced rebellion as a choice.I understand children are wicked without being taught, but not by their own choice. They inherited the curse. But at some point, they realize their own evil, and embrace it, knowing there is a better way. Perhaps this is the point that they are cut off.Someone once said on this site that basically people choose Satan or God. And while that seems black and white, and didn't seem solid, the more I think about it, the more it rings true. Either a life of half-truths, excuses, and indulgence, or a life of surrender, confession, and absolutes. In a sense, it is like we realize that the enemy is us, and when we admit it, we have the Friend enter where the enemy once stood alone. And the Friend brings the enemy under submission out of love, and over a lifetime.Apologize for the long post, but the questions trigger so many other thoughts.

I once heard a preacher say that the reason the God is going to create a new heaven and a new earth is because the first one's are corrupted.He used the scripture in Job and the scriptures that talk about satan being an accuser of the brethren standing before God and accusing God's people.He said the satan is allowed in the heavens and accuses us but when God creates the new heaven that satan will be bound and not be able to stand before God as an accuser.I thought that this thought might fit here but I for one am not sure of this. Has anyone else heard of this?Mike

Makes more sense to me that the place where God abides won't be renewed (heaven) but that the Bible is speaking about a new atmoshpere.Sin is never allowed, perhaps only simply temporarily 'tolerated' for now till judgement.[edit]Makes more sense to me, but I can be wrong.[edit2]warriorofgod, you happen to be Dutch and have a weblog which is likewise named? :-) Just wondering..