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Is the Bible really the inerrant Word of God?

sermonindex Mar 20, 2006

Is the Bible really the inerrant Word of God?Krispy

sermonindex Mar 20, 2006

KrispyKrittr wrote:Is the Bible really the inerrant Word of God?KrispyYES!!! :-D

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OK, good answer. Next question... which Bible? NIV, NASV, KJV ect?Keep in mind the definition of the word "inerrant":1. Incapable of erring; infallible. 2. Containing no errors. Krispy

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IRONMAN Mar 20, 2006

KrispyKrispyKrittr wrote:OK, good answer. Next question... which Bible? NIV, NASV, KJV ect?Keep in mind the definition of the word "inerrant":1. Incapable of erring; infallible. 2. Containing no errors. Krispynone of them unless one receives the revelation of the scriptures from the SPirit of God who breathed the scriptures.

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none of them unless one receives the revelation of the scriptures from the SPirit of God who breathed the scriptures.What does that mean?Think about this, if I go to court and testify to an event, and I tell the absolute truth about an event... is it only true if the Judge has a revelation that what I say is true? So if the Judge decides that I am lying when I am telling the truth... does that make what I said any less the truth?There is a hell. The fact that many people (even so-called Christians) dont believe in it doesnt change that truth. It's still the truth.Krispy

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InTheLight Mar 20, 2006

I believe the original writings are infallible but I don't believe any translations are, including the KJV.I can see where this thread is leading and I just want to say that before we start attacking any translation we should carefully consider the possibility that the Holy Spirit had a hand in the translation. It's great that many people prefer the KJV, I do too, but if we don't believe the true gospel is in any of the newer versions then we either haven't read them or we have an agenda which keeps us from admitting it. I've even heard some say the new translations are of the devil, this is in my opinion very dangerous ground to tread on.In Christ,Ron

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I believe the original writings are infallible Well, the original writings no longer exist. Where does that leave you? Your basically saying that at one time the infallible truth did exist, but it no longer exists.So in essence your saying there is no infallible truth... no "final authority".Everyone here knows I hold to the KJV and reject the modern versions, so there is no hidden agenda here. I'm just trying to get people to at least think about some things.It's not my job to convince anyone of anything. That's the Holy Spirit's job.Krispy

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roadsign Mar 20, 2006

Well, the original writings no longer exist. Where does that leave you? Do you think that God failed in the presrvation of them? No, not at all!! He doesn't need them! And nor do we. What version did the Pharisees study so very diligently? Was it not the originals? And why did they miss something as obvious as the Messiah - whose coming wasn't just an obscure prediction. It was repeated over and over and over. They missed it because they were stuck in their courts.God's Spirit enlightens us to truth. Without that any translation is distorted within their minds. And why could such writers as King David understand the heart of God so well - even without having a lot of the Bible as we know it? Someone said, much of Scripture cannot be understood without persecution. I believe it. Just think of the words that COME ALIVE during tials.I find it amazing how God can use even a "loose" translation to bring someone to his saving grace. Diane

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KingJimmy Mar 20, 2006

The Scriptures as originally written are inerrant. However, since there exists no single greek or hebrew manuscript on the face of the planet that doesn't have some sort of error in it (typo's included!), we cannot say any of the manuscripts we posses are free from error. This does not mean we cannot say however, that the Scriptures are the final authority. This view of inerrancy is based on what is indeed factually true. To come up with a view of inerrancy that is not grounded in the evidence we actually have, is to stick one's head in the sand. E.g. saying only the TR is without error. Who knows, maybe there exists out there a copy of each book of the Bible that is free from any sort of error in it, but if such is the case, then it is like when all copies of the Law vanished during the OT times for a period of time, until the days of Jeremiah where a copy of them was found in the ruins of the damaged temple. Perhaps a yet undiscovered copy exists out there. If such is the case, then it actually exists, but we simply do not posses that copy.

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murdog Mar 20, 2006

Krispy,The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.1 Corinthians 2:10Murray

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roadsign Mar 20, 2006

If such is the case, then it actually exists, but we simply do not posses that copy.In view of this reality, the original question would need to receive a "no" answer, since it is a close-ended question and leaves no space for deeper consideration. Perhaps the question is better asked, "Can we trust the Bible?" Even that question has limitatins.... think some more.... "Can we trust the author of Scripture to REVEAL the truths to us - AS WE NEED THEM. And if we don't believe that, then we don't understand the New Covenant (see Jeremiah 31 )Diane

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What version did the Pharisees study so very diligently? Was it not the originals?Actually, the Pharisees did not have the originals. Take for instance the Ten Commandments. Only God and Moses saw the originals. Then Moses destroyed the originals when he saw the nation worshipping the golden calf. Then what did God do? He made a copy of the original and that is what Moses delivered to Israel.Which was more true? The original or the copy? Or were they both just as true?Krispy

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So then God has been incapable of preserving His word. The creator of the universe could not preserve His word from error, is that what we're concluding?Krispy

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This does not mean we cannot say however, that the Scriptures are the final authority. But to question any of it brings it all into question... and then we must conclude we do not have a final authority.We've already said here that the inerrant Word of God no longer exists. So we must conclude that what we call "the Word of God" is not inerrant and not infallible... and can not be the Final Authority. Only that which no longer exists is the Final Authority.Krispy

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Krispy, Noone has ever been able to find a mistake in the KJV. I know it's not the popular view, and at the risk of being labeled a fanatic, extremist, and..... what was the other thing..........Oh yeah uneducated bumpkin, I must unapologeticly submit to you, that the KJV is the Word of God. :-D

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I must unapologeticly submit to youI hope you mean "submit" as in "I submitted my report to the teacher"... and not actually submitting to me!! LOLKrispy

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Smokey Mar 20, 2006

Here we go AGAIN! The one thing that has been constant throughout time has been Satan's attack on the Word of God. My only input on this thread is that ANYONE who chooses to question the validity of the KJV as the Word of God is a FOOL, and will stand in judgment in the end of days. Greg

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roadsign Mar 20, 2006

I must unapologeticly submit to you, that the KJV is the Word of God A pastor taught us many years ago: If it was good enough for the Apostle Paul, it's good enough for me. DianePS: All aside, Who can question the countless lives that were marvelously transformed through the KJV................ and the NASB and the Good News for Modern Man, and the Manderin translation and.... and.... ?

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My only input on this thread is that ANYONE who chooses to question the validity of the KJV as the Word of God is a FOOL, and will stand in judgment in the end of days.And thats the type of talk that puts people off, sets people against thoughtful discussion, and makes those of us who hold to the KJV look bad.Krispy

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If it was good enough for the Apostle Paul, it's good enough for me.No one says that about the KJV except people who say that KJV people say that. I know of NO KJV people who say that or think that, it's an expression used to poke fun at a group of believers by other believers.Krispy

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